Bondi, what are you talking about?

In 2024, Haynes was fit and ready to play but GWS kept him in the 2's and did not Select him as they recognized he was no longer part of their Future. He only played 8 Games in 2024, some due to injury but when he was ready to resume, he was kept in the 2's until the very end.

GWS were going to delist him anyways. He was never going to ger a one year extension. He was told by GWS to either retire or look elsewhere. Smart Austin could not resist a ready made Big tall defender... he just forgot his Age!

If we need to.

The MSD is set for Wednesday May 28th.

Both teams will have a bye the following week.

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SOS was not sacked. The club was respectful. He saw out his contract. It wasn't extended. He is sore about that. What right does a club have to not extend a Silvagni contract? Why should he make that so public? I think its because he thinks he's gods gift.

I lean on the side that the Stephen variety of SOS is a fiesty character with a short fuse, and doesn't work within a team, unless its on Trump terms: there's only one opinion.

I'll check his Saints selections since he was List Boss in 2023 before I'm convinced he's made great selections in the 40's and 50's. Stocker, Dow, Carroll he's got with late selctions. I'll check for these stars he's selected in 2023 and 2024. Looks to me like what he did at Carlton with GWS, he's doing the same at StKilda, hence TDK for $1.7M...a contract that will stuff them right up.

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Haynes played nine VFL games last year, averaging 31 disposals and 11 marks per game.

I’m sure the next Marty Hoare or Toby Pink will be just bonza.

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Sure... I didn't have all the Facts with me when I said that, But i am so buffled and upset to see so many Youngsters playing for the Saints and killing it. They had many senior players out so their young kids came on and put on a Show!

Compared to Carlton, our Youngsters were Dismal, poor & not ready

No, that's not right dodo. Haynes had the option to stay. He wasn't going to be picked over Idun. They were and are in a Flag window. Haynes is the perfect back up.

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Saints youngsters are up and down, and in the last 2 weeks up. Its expected.

I'd have to check ages, but I'm sure those youngsters showing something (more than ours) were recruited before 2023 when SOS came. in 2023 they were 19yo, 2024 20yo and in 2025 21yo if we are talking about their 21-23yo. Before SOS.

Hey, not saying we've got our picks rightt either dodo. I see problems with some of the kids

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Haynes is finished as an AFL footballer
Everyone can see he is done
We should known that as the 2024 season unfolded
Clearly from what you have said GWS didn’t want him but we picked him up anyway
It is also very clear that if Weitering goes down we have no back up
Who is more important
Weitering or McGovern
Cooper is the type of defender we needed
Not an interceptor
Every spot on our list should be sacred
Not given to another AFL reject who is simply not good enough or in Haynes case too old
Cooper is 5 years younger too
Bondi this is one of the reasons our depth is terrible
Haynes and McGovern both don’t deserve games but who is left
Lemmey is doing nothing
Wilson ain’t doing it
It’s plain and simply embarrassing

Thought you were taking the piss there until I realised you said VFL, not AFL.

on the AFL side, he averaged 17.13 disposals and 6.88 marks per game. Those are the 6th and 4th best of his career, respectively, and both above career averages.

He wasn't "finished". That's lazy reasoning based on age and games played. Those of us in NSW who have every GWS game broadcast free-to-air probably know better. GWS has Taylor, Idun, Buckley and Leek as young guns and Himmelberg as veteran. The "blocking young talent" argument doesn't apply to Carlton like it did at GWS. Our talent is light years behind them, not even Jurgen Klopp could bridge that gap.

That last paragraph is aimed at others in the thread, not you, in case that wasn't clear

Thought you were taking the piss there until I realised you said VFL, not AFL.

on the AFL side, he averaged 17.13 disposals and 6.88 marks per game. Those are the 6th and 4th best of his career, respectively, and both above career averages.

He wasn't "finished". That's lazy reasoning based on age and games played. Those of us in NSW who have every GWS game broadcast free-to-air probably know better. GWS has Taylor, Idun, Buckley and Leek as young guns and Himmelberg as veteran. The "blocking young talent" argument doesn't apply to Carlton like it did at GWS. Our talent is light years behind them, not even Jurgen Klopp could bridge that gap.

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So clearly Father Time has occurred in 2025

This season his kicks-disposals-marks are 8th-10th-6th best of his career, out of 14 seasons. So statistically, not really. Plus he's getting used to a new, crap, team. 16k 10m last night was his best of the year, and some of his distribution to the wings was very good. He's not finished. Gov is first in line to lose his spot to the youth.

Close from Glenelg
Henderson from Werribee looks ok too
Haynes is crap

Keep playing favourites, keogh. Kemp was a complete goose last night but you like him so he gets a pass. I'll listen to people who can call a good, average or crap game based on what actually happens.

Kemp did kick 5 last week if you have a bad short term memory
He was shit last night but can play a good game
At least he had a crack
I don’t know why the love for Haynes
The game has passed him by
Trott out the stats
Means pretty much @#$%&! all
If you look at Docherty‘S game stats wise he had a blinder
Haynes is weak at the contest
He falls over too much
That’s what can happen when your 33

Yes. He played 37 games for Williamstown, having joined them after playing in the under 18s (Bendigo Pioneers). He's not exaclty 'overlooked' in the sense that we was part of the elite under 18 program, didn't get picked up, then played 2 years of VFL... then he did get drafted in the national draft (not as a rookie or anything)... and has now played over 100 games of AFL football.

Atkins from Geelong VFL
Another one

Exactly my point
Some players develop later or are just plain overlooked

Kemp. He's not 33, he's 24.
I know who his fans are. My best mate loves him.
I haven't warmed to him as a KPF. I like him as a HHF. He's an athlete imo not a KP.

Those 5 goals he kicked were great, but he played KPF2, with him as the sole forward KPF1, when he scored 3 of his goals.
It papered over the cracks. He wont be KPF1 or KPF2 when Charlie and Harry are playing together.
That's where he has issues. So you better get a grip as to what Kemps best role is for the team.

Kemp falls over all the time. What's his excuse, or is he excused from slipping over ebcause he's 24?
Kemp was called "Autumn leaf" in the backline, coz he'd go up and invariably ended up on the ground, leaving his opponent free.

Kemp's game is not normally a 5 goal game. its normally a 0 goal game when playing as a forward.

Why is Kemp he in the forwardline? Short memory?

Because he isn't a KPD. Can't handle tall opponents (or shorter ie Membrey types)
Also, because our only Fwd/Ruck (if we exclude TDK) has gone back to fill the hole Kempy couldn't fill.
In fact, so unreliable was Kempy in the backline, and before SOS was earmarked for a KPD role, Austin found a better replacement to fill that Kemp spot, Haynes
Kemp is not a KP...F or D. He's an athlete who like to jump for marks in the hope one sticks. You should see that from his U18 games and his games thus far for carlton.

Talk about overrating players keogh. Lets get some consistency with your duck shooting. Lets expect some consistency from our forwards too. One 5 goals game, and all of ther sudden Kempy is Georgiadis Snr.

Hey I'm not saying there's a role for kempy, somewhere on the ground, but at HHF, a spot that would suit him, Elijah and Cottrell have those spots covered ... maybe Kempy could overtake one, coz he's a good runner. He may be a wing? I'm just saying, don't do the typical Carlton supporter thing and overrate players; that's not your style, is it? I get you may underrate to make a point, but that's another story.

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I like Kemp because he gives his all
And I prefer him to McKay up forward
If that’s your interpretation of overrating a player then fine

My point is why do we as a List Management team overrate players who we give spots to and pay way overs
It’s been going on for years
Get back to the point
Haynes gives us nothing other than another list clogger from another club
Don’t know what game you and GE are watching
History repeating itself over and over again

And we are in serious trouble
Will the club make the hard calls at seasons end
They have to offload players with currency to get draft picks
If the don’t we are in the bottom half for a lot longer
Watch the game now
Have a look what we up against

John Noble West Adelaide
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