Gibbs wasn't great last night but he wasn't on his own there. His 2nd half was much better

I think this is about as much as we can expect from the team at the moment. We're coming from a long way back and still have a lot of players to turn over. Bolts has a lot of work to do!

One mini challenge for the coaches is to find some form of incremental improvement in Levi's kicking. Any sort of improvement! Even though I think it might be too late

Otherwise he can't stay in the team. He's a massive liability at the moment

philiips is better than kruzer and warnock and hampson but not sauce, yet

You don't see his off-the-ball work on TV much; it's horrendous.

It's like watching a 6'7" marionette traipse around on its own. We should make extra money for the club by booking him as a pantomime act.

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Phillips and Kruezer are even right now. Kruezer better around the ground while Phillips a better mark and kick. Even in the tapouts.

However Phillips has upside whereas Kruezer does not.

our senior players are all atrocious bar Simmo & Ed

Jim so were you at the game?

Take away the draft picks used to get them to the club, take away the expectations we've all had for each of them and just compare the 2 as players. Kreuzer is still a better player than Phillips and has been better all season.
1 mark in the forward 50 and 6 possessions from Phillips last night wasn't enough to change my mind. Encouraging to finally see him hold one, but that's about it.

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I really hope he's not doing a Henderson on us, not giving 100% knowing there's a trade coming

I wouldn't say he's not trying. His pressure act stats from last night show that he's still working hard.

Just wonder if we would derive more value from a younger version with a fresh perspective and stronger personality.

He might also benefit from a change of scene a la James Frawley.

If we are going to make a move, this is probably the last season to get appropriate value in a trade.

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Yes, why?

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Nothing sinister in my question, just wondering.

I didn't presume, just an odd question

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I wasnt at the game

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Lucky

yep. i think gibbs is the only player we have that has decent currency for a trade. i dont think we are going to see 2014 era gibbs again, i think he has hit his ceiling, he has been a bit disappointing all told, from a number 1 draft pick. i know its not his fault we chose him there, but i would have liked more from him

if we dont trade him this year, we wont get anything from him in later years, and we really have no-one else to trade out for a high pick.

we cant trade out any youngsters, and we have no mid 20's players to trade out due to our horrendous drafting

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my last one was rubbish

I am not sure how marking the ball is a liability. I agree his kicking for goal is diabolical, but at least he marks the ball. No-one else can.

I love Levi in the team as a rule BUT
Gibbs said it all last week. Levi is the go to guy and when he gets it, you can see from Mexico that everybody on and off the field is thinking he will miss it. Even Levi. If you bust your arse getting the ball to him and he is about a 30% probability to convert, why would you bother?
He should be dropped. Jones will get a game this week after kicking 5 in the magoos after 6 contested marks inside 50, all on top of a few multipe-goal hauls in losing games. He has to. Regardless of his form last year, he has earned a call up. Yes, he may be a Jordan Doering who can dominate in the twos and never make it at senior level but when your #1 man can't convert and your #2 or 3 man is doing it in the twos, you make the necessary changes.

Gorringe got two as well, which is pleasing as a stat. Of course I have no idea of the circumstaces. he may have kicked them for someone knocked out on the goal line for all I know. But it's a start.

Bolton says they will leave no stone unturned to turn Levi's kicking around. That tells me he is in Bolton's future plans at this stage. I assume 'no stone unturned' does not include a kicking coach, however...

We need a true power forward. Whether McKay is him is yet to transpire but we need another one in any case. If it isn't Levi and we will know that before too much longer and if it isn't Jones or Gorringe, we need to pluck one from FA or trade for one and drft another one for 'ron'.

Also, we have been exposed for raw pace every week. Buckley is fast but not elite, the two Irish are slippery but long shots and we don't have anybody else but Armfield and he is not the answer. There are speedsters playing footy all over the country who might fit the bill. A combination of the draft kids and maybe mature age draftees from one of the second tier leagues will help there.

This is not much fun at the moment but the tunnel is long and curved.

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And that's why I wrote that he is a liability. You can't have Levi as the primary target up forward when his kicking is so deplorable. It kills the team

Forwards are forward to kick goals
He will never be a goal kicker

Having said that

If anybody picks him up and he leaves this hole he will in all likelihood be a two time premiership hero

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Or 20 ways to start a fight.