R12: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Post Match discussion)

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

It would be called a part of the game and an "unlucky" injury.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:23 am

Jez1966 wrote:

Lets say Gray got his arm out, stopped his head from hitting the ground but dislocated his shoulder in the process, would Gibbs get cited for rough conduct? If not what is the difference?

Ask Murph.

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:32 am

No way gibbs should be suspended. If he gets suspended, then this will go a long way in changing the game of afl. First the bump, now the tackle. What is next. We are at the stage where the game is at cross roads and needs to male helmets compulsary or let things like this happen. As tackles like this happen every game. There was another player tackled in the midfield, basically face first and another tackle committed in same manner after the gray ko. This is such a joke. So players now must jusy hold players in a standing position and let go? If the player falls over and hits his head they suspended?

Carlton need to appeal for the sake of the game. It will goto the tribunal and be thrown out. I dont see anyone in yhe football circles saying this wasnt a perfect tackle. Even bannister on sen said it was a perfect tackle. This game shits me sometimes

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:56 am

I don't think Gibbs meant to slam his head into the ground and it is touch and go on if he should be out or not.
But ask yourself this
If Monfies had done the same thing to Cripps how would you feel

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:26 am

About 180° different I think. :lol:

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23911

hard labour in siberia.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14900

teagueyubeauty wrote:

You can still argue quite easily that the outcome would have been way different..... You know, like a bloody good tackle!!!!

I am listening to KB now and his anti Carlton biased is obvious. According to him the tackle was illegal.
Does anyone know the rule?

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:38 am

It's like the bump, if you elect to bump and you hit the head you're in trouble, regardless of how well you execute the bump.

If you pin the arms when tackling, and they were pinned, and your opponent gets knocked out after his head hits the ground you're in trouble. If Gray wasn't concussed it'd be no problem. But he was concussed and Gibbs' tackle was the cause of that injury. It doesn't matter that his technique of restricting Gray's arms was very good, it matters that Gray got knocked out and ultimately subbed from the game because of Gibbs' actions.

Some might believe it to be "soft", or that the game is "bowing to media pressure", but unless you've been in hibernation for the last few years you can't have missed the fact that the AFL is serious about protecting players from head injuries. You don't have to like it, but that's the way the game is being treated now.

I do think a 3 week suspension (down to 2 with the early plea) is harsh in comparison with other offences, but as I've said, if the price of our players tackling hard for four quarters is an isolated case here and there where a player gets suspended then so be it. I'd rather have that problem and a reputation that we're tough to play against than watching our players be weak at the contest and letting their opponents run free.

Gibbs being out for 2 weeks will have no material effect on our season. Let's embrace the fact that Gibbs showed some balls and hope he does it again and again and again.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14900

camelboy wrote:

It's like the bump, if you elect to bump and you hit the head you're in trouble, regardless of how well you execute the bump.

If you pin the arms when tackling, and they were pinned, and your opponent gets knocked out after his head hits the ground you're in trouble. If Gray wasn't concussed it'd be no problem. But he was concussed and Gibbs' tackle was the cause of that injury. It doesn't matter that his technique of restricting Gray's arms was very good, it matters that Gray got knocked out and ultimately subbed from the game because of Gibbs' actions.

Some might believe it to be "soft", or that the game is "bowing to media pressure", but unless you've been in hibernation for the last few years you can't have missed the fact that the AFL is serious about protecting players from head injuries. You don't have to like it, but that's the way the game is being treated now.

I do think a 3 week suspension (down to 2 with the early plea) is harsh in comparison with other offences, but as I've said, if the price of our players tackling hard for four quarters is an isolated case here and there where a player gets suspended then so be it. I'd rather have that problem and a reputation that we're tough to play against than watching our players be weak at the contest and letting their opponents run free.

Gibbs being out for 2 weeks will have no material effect on our season. Let's embrace the fact that Gibbs showed some balls and hope he does it again and again and again.

Agree, unfortunate outcome for Gray.
Accept the 2 weeks and move on.

bluecape · **Joined:** Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:49 pm **Posts:** 45

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...t ... humu5.html

Interesting read, smart, flexible and thinking on his feet coach our Barker:D:D:D

Hinkley was then asked by 3AW and Sunday Age columnist Matthew Lloyd: "So we'll see a more ballistic Port Adelaide today then, Ken"? To which the Port coach responded: "Yeah, I reckon you should put your seatbelts on. I'm going to, and hopefully see them play that way."

Interim Carlton coach Barker was interviewed by the panel only 30 minutes later and played that portion of Hinkley's chat. To which he joked: "I better go boys, I've got to go and have a chat to the players."

But the exchange did confirm to Barker what his spies had been reporting back to him during the week.

"We know there's been a bit of noise coming out of Adelaide about the fact they haven't been taking some of those bolder options," he said. "That means to us [the Power playing to the] open side and obviously some chains through handball, so we talked about that during the week, we're prepared for that, we've just got to get it done." :

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:16 am

Wow, as far as sports "journalism" goes that's actually a pretty good piece from RoCo.

I liked this part:

Quote:

Patrick Cripps was already a standout, ranked second in the AFL for hard-ball gets among midfielders. But Graham, in particular, has been a far more significant influence over recent games, ranked second only to Cripps at Carlton for tackles since round nine, and fourth for clearances.

He ran, he ran so far away,
Opponents couldn't get away!

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Accepted the 2 weeks.

bosman · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:16 am

Rexy wrote:

Accepted the 2 weeks.

Gibb's back must be OK then, cause he just bent over and touch his toes and took it up the :censored:

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

Tanking.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14900

bosman wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Accepted the 2 weeks.

Gibb's back must be OK then, cause he just bent over and touch his toes and took it up the :censored:

He would have copped 3 if the club challenged it. Sucks but move on. The club stated that there was little point challenging it because similar incidents have been unsuccessful. In other words they have no confidence in the tribunal.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Bell does the same tackle all the time. He should be suspended too.

TheBluesMuse · **Joined:** Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:27 pm **Posts:** 5270

Gibbs I think definitely slung too far, he could have ended it so that grey fell on his side but instead he had a second action so he landed on top of him.

Having said all that I don't mind one bit, the intent from our players to actually tackle them to the ground with brutal force and 100% commitment is something I haven't seen for many years.

Polite footballers don't win anything, so I don't care that Gibbs copped 2 weeks.

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:02 pm

TheBluesMuse wrote:

Gibbs I think definitely slung too far, he could have ended it so that grey fell on his side but instead he had a second action so he landed on top of him.

Having said all that I don't mind one bit, the intent from our players to actually tackle them to the ground with brutal force and 100% commitment is something I haven't seen for many years.

Polite footballers don't win anything, so I don't care that Gibbs copped 2 weeks.

Agreed.
Take the 2 weeks, but don't lose the aggression

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:36 pm

camelboy wrote:

It's like the bump, if you elect to bump and you hit the head you're in trouble, regardless of how well you execute the bump.

If you pin the arms when tackling, and they were pinned, and your opponent gets knocked out after his head hits the ground you're in trouble. If Gray wasn't concussed it'd be no problem. But he was concussed and Gibbs' tackle was the cause of that injury. It doesn't matter that his technique of restricting Gray's arms was very good, it matters that Gray got knocked out and ultimately subbed from the game because of Gibbs' actions.

Some might believe it to be "soft", or that the game is "bowing to media pressure", but unless you've been in hibernation for the last few years you can't have missed the fact that the AFL is serious about protecting players from head injuries. You don't have to like it, but that's the way the game is being treated now.

I do think a 3 week suspension (down to 2 with the early plea) is harsh in comparison with other offences, but as I've said, if the price of our players tackling hard for four quarters is an isolated case here and there where a player gets suspended then so be it. I'd rather have that problem and a reputation that we're tough to play against than watching our players be weak at the contest and letting their opponents run free.

Gibbs being out for 2 weeks will have no material effect on our season. Let's embrace the fact that Gibbs showed some balls and hope he does it again and again and again.

In isolation I have no issue with the suspension. If you elect to pin the arms and sling your opponent then you're responsible for the outcome....in this case, concussion.

The issue as always with anything the AFL and tribunal do, will be consistency.

If Fyfe or Rioli perform the same tackle, with the same outcome between now and the end of the season, will they receive the same penalty?

gerry atric · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:35 am **Posts:** 2125

Camel boy has nailed it guys. Move on. I am happy to cop the odd suspension if we keep tackling like we did on Saturday

R12: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Post Match discussion)

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