It's so very clear that first we'd need a huge change in thinking from board level. The guys who thought it'd be a smart move to appoint a horribly inexperienced Ratten, and surround him with yet more inexperience, are still there.

I guess now that Essendon* has done it, they can just copy that model.

It's Sticks making a simplistic quick fix save my own arse decision (malthouse) vs Sticks looking after a mate. He's done both before.

I'd like to hope he's capable of a third option, as per BV's suggestion, but I don't think he is. Maybe Jeannie can help there. God...

Sorry - moshe - I did miss it because I didn't read the previous thread properly. My bad.
Sorry - BV as well.

He did. The defensive forwards worked, but then he tried it again with Duigan the next week and it failed.

I haven't said he is hopeless, tactically he has had some good games over his tenure, mostly if his initial matchups are working. I'm merely saying I don't think during a game tactics are a strength of his, of course he has assistants who should accept some responsibility as well.

I agree King Kenny but I think sometimes we look for perfect when its not going to happen. Players can lose form or confidence quickly. Plus theres injuries that we dont know about.
Depth also plays a part. Some players may be "rested" in certain positions because they're viewed as a better option than the depth player available.

I'm yet to see a game this year where any coach has performed any where near perfect. Ratten is no different. Nor will Malthouse be. In fact, neither has the capacity to perform the total role we require IMO.
The ideal situation for me is to recognise the strengths and weaknesses of the available/potential personnel and put a structure around them that utilises their strengths and put other people in place to perform in the areas they are deficient. The days of allowing people to "grow" into roles or learn as they go is well and truly gone.
Most importantly, those structures need to reflect the requirements of the club as a whole. Not individuals or only certain parts of the whole.
At the moment, we're too deficient in too many areas and too many requirements of the club (marketing, inclusion of members etc) are being compromised by the fear/ignorance of the football department. We also have interference by management (Swann) in football matters because we dont have a strong program manager.

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Some good posts in here and whilst I struggle with many of Ratten's coaching moves (or lack of) on match day the thing I struggle with most is the development side of things.

I haven't been to training for a few years now so I'm not aware of exactly what they're doing but it shits me no end that I can't think of one of our players who has an ingrained routine when it comes to taking set shots for goal. I was watching Saad's set shot kicking last night and I'm guessing he didn't learn it from one of our coaches. It's quite a bizarre run in (nearly 40 steps) but it's the same, time after time. And that's what matters!

He's missed one set shot this year.

And yet every time I watch our players kick for goal from a set shot they change from kick to kick.

If, as a team, we could have converted two or three of our set shots that were points to goals this year we'd be playing finals.

If something as basic as this is so poor then I really wonder about the other stuff that isn't as obvious.

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The TWO biggest issues I have are:

1. Development

2. Gameplan/Structure


Over the past 5 years we have been very poor in both areas.

We don't have youngsters getting games under their belts. Its vital. I have said this for a long time. Look at Geelong, they are fantastic at it as are Collingwood.

Also, Our gameplan is revolving and inconsistent. It changes constantly and is picked apart by good oppositions. The message to players is confusing.


Unfortunately this hides a lot of good at the club. There is talent on our list. I was buoyed by the comments of SR during the week. Development from within. Does the coaching staff know or agree with this?

The only reason kids have got games this year is because of injuries otherwise Ratten would of gone back to the usual suspects. Thank goodness its worked out that way otherwise people would of been asking for guys like OKeefe, McInnes, Bell, Casboult, Collins, White to be delisted.

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Re development, Ratten was just speaking on SEN before the game. Walls brought up the question of injuries creating opportunities for the likes of Bell and Casboult, and Ratten's response was:

"Those boys have been great. And gee, as a Match committee you sit back and wonder if we didn't cop those injuries, at the end of the year how would we be able to make an assessment of some of those boys?"



Jesus H. Christ. Right there, is as frank an admission as you'll ever get that Carlton's list management and development is up shit creek. The match committee had no way of assessing the younger guys on the list, and no structured way to bring them into the team. By Ratten's own admission, if it wasn't for unlucky/lucky injuries, guys like Bell and Casboult would be left in the VFL, and never really given a chance to improve the senior list.

Appalling. Just appalling.

FFS.

Those comments are just scary. How many times did he say "i Think?"

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s'ok dude. The multiple bang heads came out a tad harsher than I intended. It was supposed to be light humour. Shouldn't post after just waking up.....

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I just listened to Ratten then Watters on radio. Chalk and Cheese.

Watters is very strong, clear on his vision and what needs to happen at the club.

Ratten is wishy washy, guessing, commenting on what may happen etc.

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Πάντα ῥεῖ - Panta Rei (Everything flows theory)


"πάντα χωρεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει" καὶ "δὶς ἐς τὸν αὐτὸν ποταμὸν οὐκ ἂν ἐμβαίης"
Panta chōrei kai ouden menei kai dis es ton auton potamon ouk an embaies
"Everything changes and nothing remains still ... and ... you cannot step twice into the same stream"


I think while we got into trouble... we had the ''remain still" mentality going on...instead of positive flow onwards and forwards

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You just couldn't make that shit up.

Absolutely staggering.

Bad enough that there's nothing in place but to be so @#$%&! dumb as to not realise what he's saying when he says shit like that is amazing.

He should be sacked for bring the club into disrepute.

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Can you offer examples?

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Actually its one of my favourite Ancient Greek concepts.

It sums us up nicely... were afraid of the constant flow at this club .. and want time to stand still...and things.
We do everything we can to attempt to make things static...minimum change.. cos change in the 'unknown'... the mentality is bunker down.... dont do anything to radical.... blah blah blah....
the reality is something is always flowing anyway....the seasons are passing and other clubs are adapting and players come and go .

So you cannot attempt to cling onto a moment of history forever.

Just think how slowly we have been trying to adapt from VFL to AFL.. and into the modern age....

Personel... around the club... cheque book answers.... white knights and generous Carltonphiles etc.... and a president who is an ex player and not quite presidential material.....coaches without a process... etc etc etc

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That is quite scary really.

But whatever has happened over the last few weeks it's hard to ignore the steady turnaround and today's inspiring crescendo.

Longer-term it might not be the right result, but it's hard to see Ratten gone now.

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Well done Ratt's.

Not sure if a MM coached Carlton side would have handed out that sort of thrashing.

Without a back line to boot.

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looking like a bit of a goose there big boy

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Very ordinary comment, but not unusual around here.

Why? Because we win a game of football?

I'm really happy about today's result but it doesn't change the obvious shortcomings of our current board and coaching structures.

Come back and tell us it's all terrific when we're in the preliminary in a few weeks and I'll happily join you.

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