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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:02 pm 
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[youtube]dAFvC_V3IUk[/youtube]


This should be played to the players before every game. Some real home-truths exposed.

I still hate friggin smug Grant Thomas, who obviously has a significant hatred for us. Maybe it's all those thrashings he was on the receiving end of as a player. Pity he couldn't get his beloved aints into a Grand Final.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:19 pm 
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^^ Hate Grant Thomas? He's bang on the money...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:23 pm 
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Disappointed with that also. The only threats he should have got was from Carrots's team mates that were on the field. Why didn't they rough him up, why didn't they show some balls? I thought Robbo was our tough guy? I'm at a loss, at a complete loss, I wanna erase that whole frikken day from my memory.

Why didn't Lloyd and the rest of the commentators take note of Essendon* not coming to Heppell's defence?

Malthouse noted on at least two occasions that every time the chance to tackle Heppell presented itself, we gang tackled him hard like it was part of a plan to stop him.

We were spooked by the tough Bombers. :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:29 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
BrianSetzer1 wrote:
Disappointed with that also. The only threats he should have got was from Carrots's team mates that were on the field. Why didn't they rough him up, why didn't they show some balls? I thought Robbo was our tough guy? I'm at a loss, at a complete loss, I wanna erase that whole frikken day from my memory.

Why didn't Lloyd and the rest of the commentators take note of Essendon* not coming to Heppell's defence?

Malthouse noted on at least two occasions that every time the chance to tackle Heppell presented itself, we gang tackled him hard like it was part of a plan to stop him.

We were spooked by the tough Bombers. :roll:


So true Kouta. Waite bangs into someone after they kick it and its dumb footy from a dumb player. They do it and they are bullying us with tough footy. Our best answer to Carrazzo getting sniped and Murphy getting sniped was to go on and win the game with good clean hard footy. Go on and finish higher than them on the ladder and hopefully get a chance to smash them in a final again.

They won a small battle but the war is not over.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:59 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Kouta wrote:
BrianSetzer1 wrote:
Disappointed with that also. The only threats he should have got was from Carrots's team mates that were on the field. Why didn't they rough him up, why didn't they show some balls? I thought Robbo was our tough guy? I'm at a loss, at a complete loss, I wanna erase that whole frikken day from my memory.

Why didn't Lloyd and the rest of the commentators take note of Essendon* not coming to Heppell's defence?

Malthouse noted on at least two occasions that every time the chance to tackle Heppell presented itself, we gang tackled him hard like it was part of a plan to stop him.

We were spooked by the tough Bombers. :roll:


So true Kouta. Waite bangs into someone after they kick it and its dumb footy from a dumb player. They do it and they are bullying us with tough footy. Our best answer to Carrazzo getting sniped and Murphy getting sniped was to go on and win the game with good clean hard footy. Go on and finish higher than them on the ladder and hopefully get a chance to smash them in a final again.

They won a small battle but the war is not over.



True Club 29.

Managed to watch the replay (hurt a lot) and it was nowhere near as poor a performance as it seemed watching live sitting behind the goals.

50+ thrashing next time.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:51 pm 
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^^ Hate Grant Thomas? He's bang on the money...


If you read my first statement I quite clearly stated that they revealed some home-truths.

Yes, I still hate Grant Thomas.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:31 pm 
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What viable Plan B would you like to see?


I don't know what plan b should be, but I'd like us to have one. None of us get paid $1-2-3-4-500,000 per year to think of one, various of our coaching team do, they get to think about it full time and have access to players paid totally many millions to implement game plans and variations. Are you saying BV that once the Bombers got on top there was nothing we could do, that the supporters can't expect us to turn it around during the game? Aren't you expecting our coaching staff to be able to implement plans that turn the game around. We weren't just beaten here we were beaten very easily by a side I would think most of us see ourselves as being way ahead of. Can't we expect the coaching staff to be able to make adjustments to change things. I'll happily own up to not knowing near as much about strategies and game plans as professional highly paid and supported coaches. I also don't think we have the best coach in the league.


According to BV - and he must be correct because he posted it, it was just our attitude. All we needed on the bench was an A grade psychiatrist. Intervention from our coaching panel would have been a superflous exercise.
PS. Yeah our attitude was piss weak. Totally agree. But to denounce any other reason for the loss is simply churlish at best, ignorant at worst.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:59 pm 
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No, he's simply focussing on what can be changed in the now. You can't throw out all tactics in the middle of a game and invent a game plan on the fly. You can tinker, but you can tear it all apart.

Changing the attitude of the team is something that can be done in the moment, and it can yield good results.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:01 pm 
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No, he's simply focussing on what can be changed in the now. You can't throw out all tactics in the middle of a game and invent a game plan on the fly. You can tinker, but you can tear it all apart.

Changing the attitude of the team is something that can be done in the moment, and it can yield good results.

Barrassi did :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:10 pm 
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Anyone watching the Anzac match.. How did this mob smash us? Seriously.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:16 pm 
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In a different era of much simpler tactics and instruction. :P

Today teams run harder and further on the field, so you can't swing the big changes like you used to it, as they will lock onto players and weaknesses no matter what line they're on. It's up to the players themselves to execute their roles better.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:18 pm 
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Jonosc wrote:
Anyone watching the Anzac match.. How did this mob smash us? Seriously.

No intensity. No respect. No concentration.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:28 pm 
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Jonosc wrote:
Anyone watching the Anzac match.. How did this mob smash us? Seriously.


Played their Grand FInal last week, see their celebrations?

Ryder is becoming a dirty prick.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:29 pm 
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Jonosc wrote:
Anyone watching the Anzac match.. How did this mob smash us? Seriously.

Was thinking the same thing....crap side who always bring the same tactics to the table when we play them yet for some reason seem to make us look like easy beats....truly mystifying....

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:46 pm 
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Yep, I was upset with the players last week, but maybe more so the coaches.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:55 pm 
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They had a plan and Hawthorned us. We should have seen it coming. Learn from it and move on immediately.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:06 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
Jonosc wrote:
Anyone watching the Anzac match.. How did this mob smash us? Seriously.


Played their Grand FInal last week, see their celebrations?

Ryder is becoming a dirty prick.


Credit to him - it usually doesn't take this long to morph into an Essendon* thug. I was hoping for a few long term injuries to the bastards - oh well, there's always the second half.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:55 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
blue vain wrote:
What viable Plan B would you like to see?


I don't know what plan b should be, but I'd like us to have one. None of us get paid $1-2-3-4-500,000 per year to think of one, various of our coaching team do, they get to think about it full time and have access to players paid totally many millions to implement game plans and variations. Are you saying BV that once the Bombers got on top there was nothing we could do, that the supporters can't expect us to turn it around during the game? Aren't you expecting our coaching staff to be able to implement plans that turn the game around. We weren't just beaten here we were beaten very easily by a side I would think most of us see ourselves as being way ahead of. Can't we expect the coaching staff to be able to make adjustments to change things. I'll happily own up to not knowing near as much about strategies and game plans as professional highly paid and supported coaches. I also don't think we have the best coach in the league.


According to BV - and he must be correct because he posted it, it was just our attitude. All we needed on the bench was an A grade psychiatrist. Intervention from our coaching panel would have been a superflous exercise.
PS. Yeah our attitude was piss weak. Totally agree. But to denounce any other reason for the loss is simply churlish at best, ignorant at worst.


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Want a tissue 99?

Nowhere did I say "it was just our attitude". You ask for a Plan B and I asked you for a viable plan.
The theory you served up earlier was impractical. If there was a tactic that Ratten missed, let us know about it. Dont sit back and bemoan a lack of something that is nonsensical supporter speak. Teams dont have a playbook with a Plan A and Plan B.
Players are trained to make split second decisions by repetition of training and shitloads of theory. It's probably taken our MC 3 years to get our players playing our gamestyle let alone trying to introduce spare ones!
From there its minor tinkering of tactics and positioning on the day. You cant make systematic changes of style at the drop of a hat.

Ratten changed our midfield structure at quarter time with judd filling the spot at 45 degrees. The area where Essendon* were directing their taps. We matched up their spare player around the stoppages and the forwardline was like a revolving door. With limited personnel, we made plenty of alterations.
Essendon* were too hard and too good on the day :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:35 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Jonosc wrote:
Anyone watching the Anzac match.. How did this mob smash us? Seriously.

Was thinking the same thing....crap side who always bring the same tactics to the table when we play them yet for some reason seem to make us look like easy beats....truly mystifying....


The hadn't beat us the previous 4 times J&tK?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:43 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Jonosc wrote:
Anyone watching the Anzac match.. How did this mob smash us? Seriously.

Was thinking the same thing....crap side who always bring the same tactics to the table when we play them yet for some reason seem to make us look like easy beats....truly mystifying....


The hadn't beat us the previous 4 times J&tK?

I'm still haunted by their 3 year hoodoo over us....I firmly believe they are massively overrated and should be easy beats most times we play them....they have no real weapons....maybe Watson and thats about it....They are a team that only knows how to play one way....so there is no guesswork involved when you play them....if you take the game to them and block their run thru the corridor they are toast....but in any case its all about Friday night now....4 and 1 and back on track....or 3 and 2 and things would not have seemed to have improved much....pivotal game....we should win it comfortably....SHOULD.... :thumbsup:

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