Read the post from a couple of days ago. Its about team ethic and playing for each other. Our boys ( Eagles) are in the 5 but have lost games form not playing for each other. This translates into pressure, time to dispose because of team mates covering, more options because players are prepared to run, noramlly categorised by the word confidence.

And by the way, you mentiond that plenty of the people around the club are unhappy with the coach. You wouldn't be meaning people on TC would you?, because I wouldnt put them in "around the club" category.

So then who are the people not happy?

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I don't recall suggesting that no. What I am suggesting is this. If you see something that no longer looks or feels like its working...then say so. Do not ignore it. That applies to our discussions here...to other aspects of life and I am hoping it applies to the way our club is run now and going forward.

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I don't disagree with any of that.


Given you were responding to a post about your alleged negativity on this forum, I am unsure as to what you meant by this then.


Just trying to figure out where you're coming from.

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bazbaz your comprehension skills are pretty terrible arent they???

Did i says "people around TC"?

I can guarantee you my sources around the club arent too bad...

Oh and just a couple of things.

Team ethic is important but the coaches and the heirarchy are entrusted with keeping it high.
Secondly.... drilling development and tactics are what are important in modern day football.....

Nit stagnant clueless over cautious... one dimmensional gameplans.....

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Before we go any further, can I (and the rest of the Mod team) just ask for a removal of the sarcasm from the posts.

Argue the matter all you like, but leave the sarky little digs at each other out of it please.

Cheers...thanks very much.

What you actually said was .....qoute I can also tell you... that theyre are alot of people around the club right now that are truly concerned.Ratts cant lose this... (not saying he will be sacked on the spot...)

Sorry Mrs Caz...just a point of accuracy.

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No probs baz...

but that quote to me indicates Synbad's mates around the club...and he does have a couple..so technically not TC posters.

I will repeat...I have no problem with people arguing these points...just please leave the sarcasm and little digs at each other out of it.

Thank you!

Can't understand your fascination with coaching credentials...a good reader of the game doesn't need to be coach, and being a coach dosen't automatically make one a good reader of the game.

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Thanks Mrs Caz

You do a very good job of ensuring that discussion is focused on issues and not on vitriol or personal vendetta. That is a very important function.

I guess it is equally important to ensure that the same rules apply to everybody regardless of whether they are established posters or new, friend, acqauinttence or person unknown

Im sure you always do that and thank you for it

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That is the aim baz....

The analogy is a person watching a surgeon operate. He can look at it, he can have a view about it, but if he doesnt know anything about whats going on he is just that an onlooker. Does it mean he can then do it himself...probably not. Does it mean his opinion has much credit...probaly not. Now put all that to people who watch footy. They can see what the coach does....yes........they can have an opinion about it..yes...is the opinion as valid as a person who coaches...probably not....just like the person watching the surgeon, if they are a surgeon themselves their opinion is probably more valid.

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Your surgery analogy is embarrassingly laughable. You talk alot about team ethics against structures/gameplans. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Firstly, people don't dabble in surgery at school or amateur level or go to watch the same type of surgery every week, sometimes few times a week for years, 10s of years. So I think your surgery analogy is flawed. And if they did, pretty sure some could tell a good surgeon from bad surgeon, and why so.

If I have understood the above post correctly, you opinion should have higher weightage than other posters because you are involved in coaching ?

It irks me greatly when posters start to claim superiority of opinion based on their off line credentials. IMO if you have a point let it stand out on its merit not your coaching exp or training sessions attended or proximity to Visy park. My only exceptions are posters such as Synners, Josh, and couple others who have proven record of providing reliable inside info.

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Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.

Just because a poster may, or may not have inside sources at the club (and we'll never know unless they name them) it does not make their opinion on other matters any more reputable than any one else's.

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Didnt say they were. I have only spoken about team ethics as part of structures and game plans. Infact they are dependent on each other.

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Look up the word analogy, it may be enlightening for you

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Yes. Brett Ratten.

I'm a pretty simple person really. I look at Carlton, I look at Essendon*.

I see Essendon* as having slightly less talent overall than Carlton (Perhaps I am a simple biased person). I see Essendon* have a very distinctive game style, which they go out and play every week, no matter who they play - ie you know what you're getting.

I see Brett Ratten having four cracks at Essendon* over the last two years, at the same ground, with more talent and plenty to play for every time.

I see Brett Ratten fail four times in a row to combat a game plan he should know everything he needs to know about.

I start to think to myself... if this bloke can't come up with a winning strategy in four cracks at a slightly inferior squad with a very definite game plan then he's not the sort of coach who's going to take us to the summit.


I think Brett Ratten's performance (good or bad) has been largely masked by the fact that improvement out of a list this young, with so much 1st round talent, and a true leader of men setting the tone on and off field, is a natural event that would be happening anyway. A good coach will accelerate it, a poor coach would be a hand brake of sorts.

But this losing to Essendon* business... very difficult to mask the fact that we can't effectively gameplan. 69 points isn't a few kicks here or there. 69 points is the wrong players being selected, the message not getting through and getting overmatched from the coach's box (ie... losing complete control of the game).

I hope he's feeling all sorts of pressure right now, because he should be.

This quote is absolutely spot on. When you break ALL of the arguments down i keep coming back to this point in my head.

Champion player, gut feel from what i see out on the field is he's a mile away from being a good coach.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Yet it's one match out of 13. One match (OK, two when you include the Adelaide fiasco, but I attribute that to a combination of things, including the lackadaisical road-trip attitude).

I'm not trying to make excuses as such, but maybe that match was the exception which proved the rule? The one day when the gameplan really went to hell in a handbasket?

Why the need to panic? I'm not saying that we're tracking brilliantly, but a result like last week needs to be viewed through the prism of a season, not a week or 2.

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