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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:21 am 
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Just on Nick Graham lets atleast put some facts out there.

I think Synbad is working on the old adage ..........'If I say something long enough and often enough people will start to believe it is true'

Perhaps the fact that Nick had an outstanding year in the TAC and won the Comps B&F award might indicate he can play.
Perhaps the fact he was close enough to BOG in the TAC Grand Final at Etihad with 25 poss, 5 mrks, 9 Tackles and a goal.
Perhaps the fact he had been a rock solid perform for Vic Country in the Under 18 Championships.
Perhaps the fact that he is an outstanding character who everyone spoke extremely highly of.
Perhaps the fact that in his first season in the VFL (after no pre-season) his performances have been exceptional and his 2 games in the AFL showed he is not far off the pace already.
Perhaps the fact that Nick was probably watched by 10 different people over the season and rated highly by all of them might suggest we thought he could play alittle.

Of Course Nick Stevens pumped him up. Why wouldn't he? He's a good player who was draft worthy. Can't deny that fact. But for Synbad to suggest we were blind to Grahams ability all but for the advice of Stevo is bordering on the 'Bit rich' level of story telling.

Regards Cazzesman


but u rated temay ahead of him.. and temay doesnt have as much going for him except run

and yes nick pumped him up big time... to us!!!.. everybody thought he was too slow..but nick said "dont wrry about it.. he will be a gem"

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:27 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Just on Nick Graham lets atleast put some facts out there.

I think Synbad is working on the old adage ..........'If I say something long enough and often enough people will start to believe it is true'

Perhaps the fact that Nick had an outstanding year in the TAC and won the Comps B&F award might indicate he can play.
Perhaps the fact he was close enough to BOG in the TAC Grand Final at Etihad with 25 poss, 5 mrks, 9 Tackles and a goal.
Perhaps the fact he had been a rock solid perform for Vic Country in the Under 18 Championships.
Perhaps the fact that he is an outstanding character who everyone spoke extremely highly of.
Perhaps the fact that in his first season in the VFL (after no pre-season) his performances have been exceptional and his 2 games in the AFL showed he is not far off the pace already.
Perhaps the fact that Nick was probably watched by 10 different people over the season and rated highly by all of them might suggest we thought he could play alittle.

Of Course Nick Stevens pumped him up. Why wouldn't he? He's a good player who was draft worthy. Can't deny that fact. But for Synbad to suggest we were blind to Grahams ability all but for the advice of Stevo is bordering on the 'Bit rich' level of story telling.

Regards Cazzesman


but u rated temay ahead of him.. and temay doesnt have as much going for him except run

and yes nick pumped him up big time... to us!!!.. everybody thought he was too slow..but nick said "dont wrry about it.. he will be a gem"


Do you have a point? I already said Stevo pumped him up. Just like every other Coach and or Team Manager in the TAC pumps up every one of their players. Don't you think Mick Turner pumps up his kids to Wellsy? It's what they do. Getting players drafted improves their CV as Coaches. Stevo mentioned other players who didn't get drafted. Such is life.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:39 am 
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Synbad why are you against Rogers?
He had 3 picks last year and got us 2 good ones?
Also the club has restructured the coaching and recruiting departments
Yes we lack leadership at board level but no one wants to be president
You can not say the club hasn't tried to change



We picked up 3 midgets, like we are not small enough as it is!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:46 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Just on Nick Graham lets atleast put some facts out there.

I think Synbad is working on the old adage ..........'If I say something long enough and often enough people will start to believe it is true'

Perhaps the fact that Nick had an outstanding year in the TAC and won the Comps B&F award might indicate he can play.
Perhaps the fact he was close enough to BOG in the TAC Grand Final at Etihad with 25 poss, 5 mrks, 9 Tackles and a goal.
Perhaps the fact he had been a rock solid perform for Vic Country in the Under 18 Championships.
Perhaps the fact that he is an outstanding character who everyone spoke extremely highly of.
Perhaps the fact that in his first season in the VFL (after no pre-season) his performances have been exceptional and his 2 games in the AFL showed he is not far off the pace already.
Perhaps the fact that Nick was probably watched by 10 different people over the season and rated highly by all of them might suggest we thought he could play alittle.

Of Course Nick Stevens pumped him up. Why wouldn't he? He's a good player who was draft worthy. Can't deny that fact. But for Synbad to suggest we were blind to Grahams ability all but for the advice of Stevo is bordering on the 'Bit rich' level of story telling.

Regards Cazzesman


but u rated temay ahead of him.. and temay doesnt have as much going for him except run

and yes nick pumped him up big time... to us!!!.. everybody thought he was too slow..but nick said "dont wrry about it.. he will be a gem"



wrong again...:)


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:42 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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Synbad why are you against Rogers?
He had 3 picks last year and got us 2 good ones?
Also the club has restructured the coaching and recruiting departments
Yes we lack leadership at board level but no one wants to be president
You can not say the club hasn't tried to change

Rogers and Hughes have been breathing each others air before Carlton .. since Freo.
I dont think its a good idea to wait 5 years for Rogers to see if hes any good.
Their mentality has already been formed.
A childs most formative years are its first five ...... Theirs have already developed .
People work with patterns in life.... They have developed a liking for particular things and they look for those aspects.
I see what we have been taking and what Freo were taking and the same types.

I dont think its a good idea to wait to see.. the best thing is just clear the nest and start again . .. were investing hundereds of thousands of dollars.. and its the lifeblood of the club

Did he bring us 2 good ones?

Menzel i would have chosen.
Temay is a small back pocket... (choose later if availabe or dont bother- see Rowe with Hughes and Ratts).. he cant play midfield as he isnt extra good at finding the ball.. and he doesnt have any killer weapons.... hes 'neat'
Dont listen to what Cazzesman is saying (he already admits his blind loyaalty to these men)by round 3 we were out of ideas...(remember we found a small back pocket with no real weapons but he could run with our second rounder) and Stevo had implored us to give Graham a look in...
The key here is pick round 2...

Rookies?... rookied Collins.. and Cachia.... thats the extent of our imagination.
One guy Synbad would have chosen
One guy who is a neat small defender... 179 cms
One guy Nick Stevens told us we should look at in VERY strong terms...

2 rookies who were pre lists.

The key to judge him is the second rounder....

Rogers has worked closely with Hughes for 5 years.. and has been part of our recruiting probems as 2nd IC

Nice guy though......

But the DNA has been formed...


That's what has been itching me, too. A second round pick is too high for the second most visible junior back pocket. Priorities are a large part of the battle so why don't we seem to have the guts to search the WA and SA junior ranks for players and, instead, always settle on periphery types that just happen to have shown a bit of form at the 'right' time, all with mediocre picks? We seem to base our recruiting, 'kids' and all, as if we are itching for a rematch against the sides we 'should have beaten' the previous year. It's not a way to build a side that is supposed to be aiming for premierships. Second and third round selections have given us virtually nothing.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:47 pm 
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Gilly34 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Just on Nick Graham lets atleast put some facts out there.

I think Synbad is working on the old adage ..........'If I say something long enough and often enough people will start to believe it is true'

Perhaps the fact that Nick had an outstanding year in the TAC and won the Comps B&F award might indicate he can play.
Perhaps the fact he was close enough to BOG in the TAC Grand Final at Etihad with 25 poss, 5 mrks, 9 Tackles and a goal.
Perhaps the fact he had been a rock solid perform for Vic Country in the Under 18 Championships.
Perhaps the fact that he is an outstanding character who everyone spoke extremely highly of.
Perhaps the fact that in his first season in the VFL (after no pre-season) his performances have been exceptional and his 2 games in the AFL showed he is not far off the pace already.
Perhaps the fact that Nick was probably watched by 10 different people over the season and rated highly by all of them might suggest we thought he could play alittle.

Of Course Nick Stevens pumped him up. Why wouldn't he? He's a good player who was draft worthy. Can't deny that fact. But for Synbad to suggest we were blind to Grahams ability all but for the advice of Stevo is bordering on the 'Bit rich' level of story telling.

Regards Cazzesman


but u rated temay ahead of him.. and temay doesnt have as much going for him except run

and yes nick pumped him up big time... to us!!!.. everybody thought he was too slow..but nick said "dont wrry about it.. he will be a gem"



wrong again...:)



Oh really?
Whats your role around the footy club that you would know what's what?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:50 pm 
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whats yours?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:53 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Gilly34 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Just on Nick Graham lets atleast put some facts out there.

I think Synbad is working on the old adage ..........'If I say something long enough and often enough people will start to believe it is true'

Perhaps the fact that Nick had an outstanding year in the TAC and won the Comps B&F award might indicate he can play.
Perhaps the fact he was close enough to BOG in the TAC Grand Final at Etihad with 25 poss, 5 mrks, 9 Tackles and a goal.
Perhaps the fact he had been a rock solid perform for Vic Country in the Under 18 Championships.
Perhaps the fact that he is an outstanding character who everyone spoke extremely highly of.
Perhaps the fact that in his first season in the VFL (after no pre-season) his performances have been exceptional and his 2 games in the AFL showed he is not far off the pace already.
Perhaps the fact that Nick was probably watched by 10 different people over the season and rated highly by all of them might suggest we thought he could play alittle.

Of Course Nick Stevens pumped him up. Why wouldn't he? He's a good player who was draft worthy. Can't deny that fact. But for Synbad to suggest we were blind to Grahams ability all but for the advice of Stevo is bordering on the 'Bit rich' level of story telling.

Regards Cazzesman


but u rated temay ahead of him.. and temay doesnt have as much going for him except run

and yes nick pumped him up big time... to us!!!.. everybody thought he was too slow..but nick said "dont wrry about it.. he will be a gem"



wrong again...:)



Oh really?
Whats your role around the footy club that you would know what's what?


Synbad, you could be wrong about the clubs reasoning and still be 'right'. That's what makes things so insidious.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:04 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
whats yours?


Why are you suddenly siding with the prigs? Is one 'lucky' finals appearance your soma? :?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:17 pm 
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huh? Im not siding with anyone

i just found the question about having a role at the club to quantify an opinion quite funny

coming from someone....

with no role at the club !

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:59 pm 
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Mrs Caz wrote:
I know I'm percieved as "compromised" in this respect, twice over, as a mod (only part-time nowadays) and as C'Mans partner...but this comment made me see red

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Not once has he ever given a serious and constructive answer to any question regarding the recruitment of players.



If you honestly believe that is true then you need to have a look in that magical mirror.....


FFS...perhaps you've forgotten all those years past when he posted all his weekly reviews on various players...when he posted his Q&A's after the drafts to give reasons and insights into why we might have picked players...when he posted his weekly reports on the VFL before River Rat took it on (in a greatly informative manner :smile: ) .....for years he did that....


He doesn't need me to stick up for him....and no doubt you and others will have a go at me for doing it....but stuff that...that one comment is [REDACTED].


Fair comment.

Your response Psych?

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Have I stumbled into the wrong thread again?
I thought this was the Carlton-Richmond pre-match thread. Silly me. I'll have another look.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:48 pm 
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I seriously don't understand the point about Stevens recommending Graham? So what?

Every TAC coach recommends their players to various recruiters, does that mean if they pick that player they have done no work on them and simply gone on the coach's recommendations and the coach should take the credit?

Wtf? That would account for about 90% of the players drafted then.

Such an illogical, thought-less argument. Expect better from you Synbad.

Not that your others points are not valid, just this one is ridiculous.

Rogers drafted 5 players, you explain away any of the good ones (coach recommendations, I would've picked them, rookies previously already been on the list etc) and ping him for one choice who has had barely a season in the system. That's unfair.

Got nuts on Hughes, and Rogers as well if it is merited. But I struggle to see how on the back of this one draft (so far).


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:01 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
whats yours?

i dont need one... im saying what i know.. now gilly can tell us what he knows.

fyi i got mine from nick stevens.. he might be big noting himself..but where is gillys coming from???.. cos i wanna know!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:07 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
huh? Im not siding with anyone

i just found the question about having a role at the club to quantify an opinion quite funny

coming from someone....

with no role at the club !

look id know more people around all sorts of areas around the club than u can poke a stick at....(though less insiders now .. but they exist for me)

Gilly can only know that im wrong from the club itself.. re Graham thats what Stevo told me himself a few months back.. gave me a player profile on him as his ex coach.. i see no reason to cal him a liar.. though he might have overplayed his role.

now where is Gillys info coming from for telling me flat out Stevo didnt have a role in the recruitment of Graham... he cant say that unless he has inspected the clubs bowels???...

or grahams manager told him... graham himself.. and i know stevo and graham have a very good reationship and is appreciative of stevo..because he would tell anyone that.. so the only body that leaves is the recruiters themseves.. and they must have told Gilly that "Stevo had no part in his(Grahams) recruiment"...

i dont think stevo would mind me saying that.. cos he told me quite openly.. he was into the club all season to draft Graham...
So now i wanna hear Gillys reasons why i am wrong.. i might well be.. but let Gilly entertain it... :thumbsup:


Gilly.. every now and again a mans got to stick his balls out there... instead of hiding in the shadows...

Lets see them!!!...

We could be both right... but if you flat out challenge me to say something and i do.. your turn!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:09 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Just on Nick Graham lets atleast put some facts out there.

I think Synbad is working on the old adage ..........'If I say something long enough and often enough people will start to believe it is true'

Perhaps the fact that Nick had an outstanding year in the TAC and won the Comps B&F award might indicate he can play.
Perhaps the fact he was close enough to BOG in the TAC Grand Final at Etihad with 25 poss, 5 mrks, 9 Tackles and a goal.
Perhaps the fact he had been a rock solid perform for Vic Country in the Under 18 Championships.
Perhaps the fact that he is an outstanding character who everyone spoke extremely highly of.
Perhaps the fact that in his first season in the VFL (after no pre-season) his performances have been exceptional and his 2 games in the AFL showed he is not far off the pace already.
Perhaps the fact that Nick was probably watched by 10 different people over the season and rated highly by all of them might suggest we thought he could play alittle.

Of Course Nick Stevens pumped him up. Why wouldn't he? He's a good player who was draft worthy. Can't deny that fact. But for Synbad to suggest we were blind to Grahams ability all but for the advice of Stevo is bordering on the 'Bit rich' level of story telling.

Regards Cazzesman


So why was Temay selected before Graham?

You make a compelling case for Graham, what attracted our recruiters to Temay?


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I'd assume Menzel and Temays former coaches also had good things to say about them, does this mean their word decided who we drafted?

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Megaman wrote:
I'd assume Menzel and Temays former coaches also had good things to say about them, does this mean their word decided who we drafted?


Rasso had Stewie Loewe and he did..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:05 pm 
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Anyhow,im gonna make a constructive suggestion.Last few years shows that a heap of guys get picked from the VFL,WAFL,and the SANFL.............lets get a guy who understands these comps and put him on our payroll.I would suggest Pt Melb's Gary Ayres.This guy's knowledge would be immense having been at the higher level...............

PS.....................if you guys dont know it it aint a revolutenary idea as Essendon* have Frankston coach Simon Goosey as a paid up recruiter to the Bombers.............Get Ayres on our books i say.

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