Nothing too revealing there, seems pretty obvious the game plan of a side which has more experience and has played together a lot more would be more complex and advanced.

I’m sure our 2011 side probably had a more complex game plan than our side now for that same reason

Murphy made a comment after the GC game - I forget the exact quote but something like 'we got ahead of ourselves' after the R1 game - which summed up that game. Poor attitude rather than tactics.

the coach is 100% responsible not to let players get ahead of themselves.

100% - that is ridiculous but go on keep banging that drum darkly.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Hrreeeevolt just reminding everyone watching the pies/dees postmatch on fox just how important continuity of playing personnel is.

So what that we have the lowest winning percentage since 2000!!!!

If you ran a poll of 10000 Carlton supporters, you'd probably get a very high percentage saying that from 2000 to 2015, we made astronomic blunders with coaching appointments, recruiting, list managment and governence. There...you can have that point and feel good about yourself, even though 90+% would say the same thing

Since 2015, we went through a process to appoint a coach, finally realised that the list had to be dismantled and rebuilt, went to the draft, played kids, appointed a list manager and got a pretty switched on former captain on the board
None of this guarantees anything and it does not preclude us from making more mistakes but I bet if you ran a poll of the same 10000 supporters about whether there is a plan that is bedded in a sustainable, long term mindset, those 10000 supporters would provide you with statistically significant differences in opinion

So yeah, bang on about what we already know from 2000-2015
Knock yourself out in a couple of years time tearing strips off the club IF the current structure fails or is deemed to have been flawed
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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

i like your optimism and belief. i don't share it, but i enjoy yours.

this is the first year of the 'new' CFC where we've looked totally the same and just as shit as any of the darkest times from 2000-2015. locking bolton in to 2020 given how bad we've looked this year was a little premature and reeks of the 'old' cfc where good decisions seem to consistently evade us... much gets made of our injuries – even then there's only one which really hurts; Doc – but by and large the way we play, our effort, our intensity and our gameplan has been poor & lacking this year compared to last.


for the record i don't buy that we're a new carlton ... there hasn't been any significant back room clean out to warrant the title. we've added SOS and Judd and people declare we're a 'new' carlton?

people's memories are also short about rebuilds. the kruezer cup was our first proper rebuild.

No way. There was no rebuild during the Ratten years. There should have been, but there wasn’t.

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Teams on average take 4 players in the draft.
Carlton has taken 16 in the last 3 years and yet turned over 42 players.
We do more recycling than Visy the only difference is Visy turns their recycled rubbish into a profit most of ours just ends up in landfill

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If you listen to Paul Roos we don't take enough recycled players. Apparently we're too heavily investing in the draft. Yes some of the recycled players have been 'misses', but there have been some hits as well. I would put Marchbank, Plowman, Wright, Lang, Pickett, Phillips as all hits and Kennedy still to be determined, not enough footy yet to make a call on him. The misses we've had I'd argue we didn't give much away for them, but it would be nice to make more of them wins (but probably unrealistic to expect all of them to be wins).

Which players would you have kept ? ...

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Get with the program.
Its all about cohesion and synergy. How in the hell are you supposed to achieve that by turning over 14 players a year

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So which players would you have kept to keep this cohesion?

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Good question.

Should be easy to answer in hindsight!

Sydney is passionate and frustrated like all of us.

It is hard to see for some we were so far behind after Malthouse we needed to turnover as many as we could to find better young players from the draft and hope we get some better retreads than the ones we delisted. I couldnt stand dragging through another 20 years of mediocrity so this approach oftart again gives me more hope than the other way.

I remember Pagan took a different approach and kept a few obvious weak players and traded for some retreads so we couldnt get beaten by 100 points...that ended well.

We have taken the right approach. Whether it is successful or not, time will tell. It looks right, long term.

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Bootsma seemed pretty adhesive.

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KJ Holman Gowers and Buckley to start with
I would have also kept Palmer and Smedt Boakhurst White

None of them world beaters
But neither is Shaw Mullet Oshea and Garlett and Lobbe

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I even capitalised the word, 'IF', giving you an indication that nobody can predict the future and that I'm just speculating

After that, I thought I was going to read something different but all we got was your 'same as 2000-2015 narrative'...stuff we ALREADY know about your views that we ALREADY know about a future that you ALREADY know

Time to give the B-side some airplay (and I don't mean the VFL)

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Nah, he was a dick

Really? You reckon we’d be better off with that swag of list cloggers? And I wanted KJ and Boek to work as much as the next guy but they didn’t and they wouldn’t.

If we’d kept that bunch we’d be in just as much poo and I dare say you’d be demanding all of their heads plus the heads of those who kept them on.

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