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DocSherrin III wrote:

Didn't realise this was the 2017 best 22 thread...my mistake. Carry on.

Best 22s are based on the presumption all are fit and available and in their most recent form - in Doc's case that may be 2 years old but it is AA form. If someone has been out long term you can adjust that for age and chronic injury but neither factor into the Doc equation. He IS best 22.

So by your standards after a full preseason next year people like All Australian Capitain Rance and Brownlow medalist Mitchell won’t get a game in 2020 with Richmond and Hawthorn because they won’t be in their team’s best 22 in 2020.

ianh wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

Didn't realise this was the 2017 best 22 thread...my mistake. Carry on.

Makes sense to me
Obviously you can choose to see it as Doc does.
If fit Doc is in. He was a standout in the preseason before he did his knee again.

Maybe Doc sees his form as a vulnerable knee and doesn't want to back him.
You'd have to back Doc to return fit and firing, but hope there is a ready replacement incase his knee goes again: Stocker

bondiblue wrote:

ianh wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

Didn't realise this was the 2017 best 22 thread...my mistake. Carry on.

So many docs. So confused.

Hopefully it will be two Docs, one (premiership) cup.

B. Simpson Weitering Marchbank
HB. Docherty Jones SPS
C. Setterfield Murphy Fisher
HF. Silvagni Charlie Cuningham
F. Papley McKay Betts

R. Kreuzer Cripps Walsh

I. from... McGovern Dow Butler O'Brien Martin Stocker Levi Plowman Newman Ed Willo Gibbons TDK Kennedy

Rexy wrote:

Is that the same Plowman who finished third in the B&F on the bench?

Blue Sombrero wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Is that the same Plowman who finished third in the B&F on the bench?

Hehe. He actually has 3 of the top 5 as depth. Don't give up your day job Rexy... :grin:

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moshe25 wrote:

Blue Sombrero wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Is that the same Plowman who finished third in the B&F on the bench?

Hehe. He actually has 3 of the top 5 as depth. Don't give up your day job Rexy... :grin:

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Maybe we'd finish a bit higher with my team ...?

So, what's your team ?

FB: Docherty Jones Plowman
HB: Newman Weitering Simpson
C: SPS Cripps Setterfield
HF: Cuningham Curnow Martin
FF: Papley McKay Betts
RU: Kreuzer Murphy Curnow
Int: McGovern, Marchbank, Walsh, Fisher

if the likes of Kennedy or Silvagni want a game, they need to play solely as big bodied midfielders. Gibbons may be swapped with Fisher depending on form and Casboult is the most interesting one of the lot - without him, who plays the pinch-hit 2nd ruck role?

And that, my friends is called counting your chickens before they hatch and why this is such a pointless exercise at this time of year.
Fun but pointless.

This will change before round 1, obviously, but post trade period:

B: Plowman - Jones - Newman
HB: Docherty - Weitering - SPS
C: Fisher - Dow - Cunningham
HF: Gibbons - C. Curnow - J. Silvagni
F: Betts - McKay - McGovern
R: Kreuzer - Cripps - Walsh

INT: Murphy - Simpson - E. Curnow - Casboult

Blue Sombrero wrote:

And that, my friends is called counting your chickens before they hatch and why this is such a pointless exercise at this time of year.
Fun but pointless.

You're no fun. :cry:

The point is to have fun.

Gap analysis
Situational analysis
Best case scenario

So Papley wasn't released on compassionate grounds by Swans: no big deal.
And Pittonet will not be rucking ahead of Kreuzer come round 1, unless he's injured and rucking better than Levi, but that's counting your chickens before their hatched :wink:

bondiblue wrote:

Blue Sombrero wrote:

And that, my friends is called counting your chickens before they hatch and why this is such a pointless exercise at this time of year.
Fun but pointless.

You're no fun. :cry:

Pointless fun isn't the same as having actual fun.

Author:	bondiblue [ Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:06 pm ]
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ianh wrote: DocSherrin III wrote: Didn't realise this was the 2017 best 22 thread...my mistake. Carry on. Best 22s are based on the presumption all are fit and available and in their most recent form - in Doc's case that may be 2 years old but it is AA form. If someone has been out long term you can adjust that for age and chronic injury but neither factor into the Doc equation. He IS best 22. Makes sense to me Obviously you can choose to see it as Doc does. If fit Doc is in. He was a standout in the preseason before he did his knee again. Maybe Doc sees his form as a vulnerable knee and doesn't want to back him. You'd have to back Doc to return fit and firing, but hope there is a ready replacement incase his knee goes again: Stocker

Author:	DocSherrin III [ Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:09 pm ]
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Crippa wrote: So by your standards after a full preseason next year people like All Australian Capitain Rance and Brownlow medalist Mitchell won’t get a game in 2020 with Richmond and Hawthorn because they won’t be in their team’s best 22 in 2020. No - they'd have to do their knee again and miss two full years of footy.

Author:	toddkurnski [ Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:05 pm ]
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bondiblue wrote: ianh wrote: DocSherrin III wrote: Didn't realise this was the 2017 best 22 thread...my mistake. Carry on. Best 22s are based on the presumption all are fit and available and in their most recent form - in Doc's case that may be 2 years old but it is AA form. If someone has been out long term you can adjust that for age and chronic injury but neither factor into the Doc equation. He IS best 22. Makes sense to me Obviously you can choose to see it as Doc does. If fit Doc is in. He was a standout in the preseason before he did his knee again. Maybe Doc sees his form as a vulnerable knee and doesn't want to back him. You'd have to back Doc to return fit and firing, but hope there is a ready replacement incase his knee goes again: Stocker So many docs. So confused. Hopefully it will be two Docs, one (premiership) cup.

Author:	bondiblue [ Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:42 pm ]
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toddkurnski wrote: bondiblue wrote: ianh wrote: DocSherrin III wrote: Didn't realise this was the 2017 best 22 thread...my mistake. Carry on. Best 22s are based on the presumption all are fit and available and in their most recent form - in Doc's case that may be 2 years old but it is AA form. If someone has been out long term you can adjust that for age and chronic injury but neither factor into the Doc equation. He IS best 22. Makes sense to me Obviously you can choose to see it as Doc does. If fit Doc is in. He was a standout in the preseason before he did his knee again. Maybe Doc sees his form as a vulnerable knee and doesn't want to back him. You'd have to back Doc to return fit and firing, but hope there is a ready replacement incase his knee goes again: Stocker So many docs. So confused. Hopefully it will be two Docs, one (premiership) cup. ...so we do have 2 Docs, and number 17 on its way soon for both of them to enjoy.

Author:	Rexy [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Our best 22?
B. Simpson Weitering Marchbank HB. Docherty Jones SPS C. Setterfield Murphy Fisher HF. Silvagni Charlie Cuningham F. Papley McKay Betts R. Kreuzer Cripps Walsh I. from... McGovern Dow Butler O'Brien Martin Stocker Levi Plowman Newman Ed Willo Gibbons TDK Kennedy

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Author:	Walsh [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:48 am ]
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let you know after trade period.

Author:	Blue Sombrero [ Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:52 am ]
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Rexy wrote: B. Simpson Weitering Marchbank HB. Docherty Jones SPS C. Setterfield Murphy Fisher HF. Silvagni Charlie Cuningham F. Papley McKay Betts R. Kreuzer Cripps Walsh I. from... McGovern Dow Butler O'Brien Martin Stocker Levi Plowman Newman Ed Willo Gibbons TDK Kennedy Is that the same Plowman who finished third in the B&F on the bench?

Author:	moshe25 [ Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:14 am ]
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Blue Sombrero wrote: Rexy wrote: B. Simpson Weitering Marchbank HB. Docherty Jones SPS C. Setterfield Murphy Fisher HF. Silvagni Charlie Cuningham F. Papley McKay Betts R. Kreuzer Cripps Walsh I. from... McGovern Dow Butler O'Brien Martin Stocker Levi Plowman Newman Ed Willo Gibbons TDK Kennedy Is that the same Plowman who finished third in the B&F on the bench? Hehe. He actually has 3 of the top 5 as depth. Don't give up your day job Rexy... Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

Author:	Rexy [ Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:01 am ]
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moshe25 wrote: Blue Sombrero wrote: Rexy wrote: B. Simpson Weitering Marchbank HB. Docherty Jones SPS C. Setterfield Murphy Fisher HF. Silvagni Charlie Cuningham F. Papley McKay Betts R. Kreuzer Cripps Walsh I. from... McGovern Dow Butler O'Brien Martin Stocker Levi Plowman Newman Ed Willo Gibbons TDK Kennedy Is that the same Plowman who finished third in the B&F on the bench? Hehe. He actually has 3 of the top 5 as depth. Don't give up your day job Rexy... Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk Maybe we'd finish a bit higher with my team ...? So, what's your team ?

Author:	Blue Sombrero [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:45 am ]
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Rexy wrote: moshe25 wrote: Blue Sombrero wrote: Rexy wrote: B. Simpson Weitering Marchbank HB. Docherty Jones SPS C. Setterfield Murphy Fisher HF. Silvagni Charlie Cuningham F. Papley McKay Betts R. Kreuzer Cripps Walsh I. from... McGovern Dow Butler O'Brien Martin Stocker Levi Plowman Newman Ed Willo Gibbons TDK Kennedy Is that the same Plowman who finished third in the B&F on the bench? Hehe. He actually has 3 of the top 5 as depth. Don't give up your day job Rexy... Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk Maybe we'd finish a bit higher with my team ...? So, what's your team ? I'll give you mine after the pre-season. No guarantee C Curnow will be available. We are grading people in and out. No guarantee of Papley.

Author:	Teen Spirit [ Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:29 am ]
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FB: Docherty Jones Plowman HB: Newman Weitering Simpson C: SPS Cripps Setterfield HF: Cuningham Curnow Martin FF: Papley McKay Betts RU: Kreuzer Murphy Curnow Int: McGovern, Marchbank, Walsh, Fisher if the likes of Kennedy or Silvagni want a game, they need to play solely as big bodied midfielders. Gibbons may be swapped with Fisher depending on form and Casboult is the most interesting one of the lot - without him, who plays the pinch-hit 2nd ruck role?

Author:	bondiblue [ Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:27 am ]
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Teen Spirit wrote: FB: Docherty Jones Plowman HB: Newman Weitering Simpson C: SPS Cripps Setterfield HF: Cuningham Curnow Martin FF: Papley McKay Betts RU: Kreuzer Murphy Curnow Int: McGovern, Marchbank, Walsh, Fisher if the likes of Kennedy or Silvagni want a game, they need to play solely as big bodied midfielders. Gibbons may be swapped with Fisher depending on form and Casboult is the most interesting one of the lot - without him, who plays the pinch-hit 2nd ruck role? Walsh will play more than 90% game time...especially after another full preseason under Andrew Russell. I have a feeling with a fit list most of our 20-22yo's will be depth getting stronger, fitter and learning their craft in the VFL most weeks. Can see return of Docherty, Jones, Marchbank and Charlie returning and step straight into the team. Williamson may find his 2017 form and push out Newman. The big bodied mids giving a chop out for Cripps to create a mismatch forward will be Jack Silvagni and Setterfield. We should have 10-11 rotating through the midfield in 2020. I can see Betts, Martin and Papley in the first 22 from round 1 20-20 Toot-Toot.

Author:	Blue Sombrero [ Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:35 pm ]
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And that, my friends is called counting your chickens before they hatch and why this is such a pointless exercise at this time of year. Fun but pointless.

Author:	bluechampion [ Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:00 pm ]
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This will change before round 1, obviously, but post trade period: B: Plowman - Jones - Newman HB: Docherty - Weitering - SPS C: Fisher - Dow - Cunningham HF: Gibbons - C. Curnow - J. Silvagni F: Betts - McKay - McGovern R: Kreuzer - Cripps - Walsh INT: Murphy - Simpson - E. Curnow - Casboult

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Author:	bondiblue [ Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:03 pm ]
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Blue Sombrero wrote: And that, my friends is called counting your chickens before they hatch and why this is such a pointless exercise at this time of year. Fun but pointless. You're no fun. The point is to have fun. Gap analysis Situational analysis Best case scenario So Papley wasn't released on compassionate grounds by Swans: no big deal. And Pittonet will not be rucking ahead of Kreuzer come round 1, unless he's injured and rucking better than Levi, but that's counting your chickens before their hatched

Author:	bondiblue [ Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Our best 22?
This will change with the addition of Martin...nah...I'm going to include him coz he's coming. Not sure if a Newnes or a Holman or a Pick 9 in the draft will make the Best 22 if everyone is fit and available. B: Docherty Jones Marchbank HB: Plowman Weitering Simpson C: SPS Cripps Murphy R: Kreuzer Curnow Walsh HF: Martin Charlie Cuningham F: Betts McKay McGovern IC: Setterfield Gibbons J.Silvagni Newman Newman will probably take a man at HB and Simpson will be the extra in the backline. Williamson will take a HBF if he's fully fit. Midfield Rotations: Ruck: Kreuzer - McKay Big bodied: Cripps Silvagni Setterfield ... Cripps cameo mismatch forward ditto Silvagni Mid size: Walsh SPS Cuningham Martin Small mid: Murphy Gibbons Possibly: Simpson Betts Leaves the kids to develop in the VFL and called on if form warrants: Kids 21-22yo : Fisher Dow OBrien Stocker Williamson Macreadie Mature Depth: Casboult Kennedy Lang DeLuca Pettenet DeLuca Polson Developing: Pick 9, TDK B.Silvagni Cottrell Owies

Author:	Rexy [ Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:22 pm ]
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B. Simpson Weitering Marchbank HB. Docherty Jones SPS C. Setterfield Murphy Fisher HF. McGovern Charlie Martin F. Cuningham McKay Betts R. Kreuzer Cripps Walsh I. Silvagni Dow Stocker Bennell

Author:	bondiblue [ Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:25 pm ]
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bluechampion wrote: This will change before round 1, obviously, but post trade period: B: Plowman - Jones - Newman HB: Docherty - Weitering - SPS C: Fisher - Dow - Cunningham HF: Gibbons - C. Curnow - J. Silvagni F: Betts - McKay - McGovern R: Kreuzer - Cripps - Walsh INT: Murphy - Simpson - E. Curnow - Casboult Levi. I really don't like leaving out Levi our best swingman.

Author:	Blue Sombrero [ Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:13 am ]
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bondiblue wrote: Blue Sombrero wrote: And that, my friends is called counting your chickens before they hatch and why this is such a pointless exercise at this time of year. Fun but pointless. You're no fun. The point is to have fun. Gap analysis Situational analysis Best case scenario So Papley wasn't released on compassionate grounds by Swans: no big deal. And Pittonet will not be rucking ahead of Kreuzer come round 1, unless he's injured and rucking better than Levi, but that's counting your chickens before their hatched Pointless fun isn't the same as having actual fun.

Author:	bondiblue [ Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:05 am ]
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Blue Sombrero wrote: bondiblue wrote: Blue Sombrero wrote: And that, my friends is called counting your chickens before they hatch and why this is such a pointless exercise at this time of year. Fun but pointless. You're no fun. The point is to have fun. Gap analysis Situational analysis Best case scenario So Papley wasn't released on compassionate grounds by Swans: no big deal. And Pittonet will not be rucking ahead of Kreuzer come round 1, unless he's injured and rucking better than Levi, but that's counting your chickens before their hatched Pointless fun isn't the same as having actual fun. You know its rude to point. FYI...I'm having fun.