5 years? It will be 5 years once we start the rebuild. We’ve only just started our descent. If we make tough decisions and trade out anyone of value at seasons end we can begin looking forward


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@#$%&! spanner who gave up pick 8 for a half back flanker who had already packed his bags


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We can blame Austin all we want, but in reality it's more than one person making decisions on the type of players we need to suit a game plan and/or direction.

It's a group think failure... and that's the scary part

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Don’t worry, blame is not reserved for Austin. I’m at the point that I would literally sack every single person and trade every single player. Scorched earth. Not a trace of DNA from the past 25 years. Start again as if we’re an expansion club. The joint is riddled with cancer


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Did Tim Webster post that?

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

In a way you are Correct. Recruting has been a complete Failure at this Club since 2003. Doesn't matter whom we bring in, they stuff up.


SOS was the only one who said I will do it my way and I don't want anyone else to interfere, so the club kicked him out! Mind you, even he Stuffed us up when he took over and then brought with him the Recycled rubbish from GWS that took us no where!

It is so abvious by now that Many club figures are interfering in our recruitment and are having a bad influence, how else can you explain a Failure to choose Good players for 20 oldd years?

Hey Cazzeman
Haynes was solid tonight
Schultz was lucky winning that medal
Young was hard at it
Mc Creerey just ok
Cameron battled hard
Williams and McGovern just out of form
Etc
Etc
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What picks have we given up beyond the 2025 1st and 2nd (with Brisbane's 2nd coming our way)? And how is Jagga Smith "nothing"?

I have mate here in Busselton whose son is a decent footballer
Most Busselton kids get aligned with East Perth so my mate has seen first hand not only his son’s development but also observed what talent scouts do in regards to observing young talent
They focus heavily on a small sample size
Why that is the case is a mystery
Put it down to dumb human behavior
So what my mate is saying is when these kids reach 18 they won’t get drafted even though they are on par in terms of performance with the kids who were better than them when they were 14 15 whatever

So the kids who miss out either drop out of footy all together or go back to the lower leagues or a top country comp like The Ovens and Murray
As we all know men tend to mature later than women
I reckon there would be 3 or 4 players playing for Busselton who would play better then Lachie Plowman ever did
Will Setterfield is a classic case of an earlier developer as well
Both went pick 3 and 5

There would be many footballers out there better than many AFL players now kicking the ball around somewhere
For whatever reason reason AFL clubs not just Carlton remain too blinkered in their pursuit of talent
Have a look at Haynes last night
It’s a joke that he is given a spot
Pay someone $30000 give a free return ticket from Perth to Melbourne once a year staying at a nice hotel with the misses for the weekend and a corporate box to watch a game and report back to the List Management team
I’m sure the accommodation could be arranged as a freebie given the wankers we now have on the board
But no
We will pick Haynes because he was AA 5 years ago
He must be good even though he is 33 in May and couldn’t get a senior game despite the plethora of of injuries GWS had in 2024 plus he really isn’t what we need anyway
Dumb
If I was living in Perth I would write to Carlton about doing that job
Somehow I think it would land on deaf ears
Even if I presented that 2015 2025 team and list of all those players

As I said and we can all agree on this
Our depth has been terrible over the last 10 years
This is one of the reasons
We continue to
Pick has beens from other AFL clubs to top up our list
The solution is simple really but for whatever reason is ignored

Don't get me started.

Keogh, Haynes played 8 games in 2024 despite his stomach / immune system issues, and despite the plethora of young KPD/intercept talent that GWS have prioritised. He played 20 games in 2023. It simply isn't true that he couldn't get a game there, he was still valued and turning in good performances. He was also far from our worst last night, but some players just have their papers stamped with some supporters, and his nightmare debut against Richmond was a big pile of ammunition, but let's give the boy a chance, yeah?

Sorry I disagree
He was crap last year
He is 33 in May
And he has been weak and insipid
We also need another big bodied key defender
Nick Haynes didn’t make the VFL team of the year
Nathan Cooper did and he played only 12 games for Werribee
Came from Richmond’s VFL team which seems to churn out late bloomers
And is 27
Haynes selection over Cooper is exactly what I am talking about
How Cooper was overlooked by all 18 clubs is a classic example of of the tunnel vision approach of AFL recruiting
He is now at Wangaratta Rovers
He was worth a punt and would of cost a badg of Smiths Crisps

can we put Newman on LTI and select someone in mid season draft

Are you saying we sacked SOS too early, or sacked SOS too late? WE should have interfered, or shouldn't have? Maybe what you're saying is its a catch 22.

Doesn't really matter, we are where we are.

SOS picked the wrong horse, time and time again, after he got lucky with our spine. Once Jones was gone in 2020, and Williams continued to battle with injury, our amazing defence had holes in it thereafter that were never filled. Don't start me on the smalls....nothing like Pies' Schultz, Hill, Elliot and mid sized DeGoey. Compare them with Motlop, Fogarty, White and Williams/Durdin/Evans. FMD.

We've all been seduced by the spruiking of players, and as a result, over valuing them. Remember the old pearler..."we valued our pick 3 at pick 1, the 2nd round pick we valued at pick 12, our 3rd round pick we got lucky they slid too, because we valued them in the early 2nd round"?

Words Words Words.

Enough of words we want to see action from Players, coaches, List Managers, Football Dept boss, and that means a change from what we are doing. Its not working.

That's not to say our season is over, but will be if we don't make some serious changes. Voss. It starts with you.

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You are spot on.

Every game he did play last year was good enough to retain his spot, but the GWS had a transition plan, in place, incase Haynes disease flared up again, and it was working.

Do you give games to an AA who is 33yo or to a player whi is 21yo and standing his ground as an intercept defender who is just as quick as Haynes. Mad to keep Idun out when oppo list managers had their eyes on Idun and Aleer.

keogh may be right about Gov and williams, he's not right about Haynes. Haynes ss a depth player (to cover for injury prone Gov) and his IQ is perfect to help development of our backmen. That's not what Nathan Cooper can do. In fact, we don't know if Nathan Cooper could stand up in AFL, and its not healthy imo to bag a depth player we bought for peanuts and can do the abovementioned, and he can't be blamed because Cooper wasn't picked. Pick on Austin, not Haynes.

I know a Board Member at GWS. I know they knew they had to get games into Conner, "the Pom" Idun, when the stomach situation flared up in 2022. They did, and early doors they really missed Haynes. Did you know he had an offer to stay at GWS as depth? They must be a fkd up club to even think that....according to some.

keogh doesnt watch footy in NSW and obviously doesnt know any of the above info. He's angry at Austin, and Voss, and Elliot, and Smorgon, and Pratt, and Liddle, and SOS, and Voss, and Williams, Gov ... poor old Haynes feels that wrath as he's lumped in keoghs list of Carlton wreckers, despite the fact that he shouldnt be.

Now, to make some sense out of this argument, lets compare the cost of Haynes with Williams Martin and Gov. Shall we?

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Haynes was abviousely recruited as a Short Term Stint thinking we are on the verge of a GF Spot or Premiership. That backfired on our faces badly!


He is a liablity because of his Age, not his ability or his performance. He is holding up a Spot for a Young player who needs exposure and development....But then again, We don't have development nor the players to give Games to


What a mess of a Club we are!

Just to add, in fairness to Haynes, anyone playing next to Gov, would be made to look silly……

You've got this all wrong.

You're being hysterical and I have to call this BS.

Lets stick with facts. You need to know this:

Haynes was convinced to come to the club mid year when he was looking at extending his GWS contract by a year, such was his value to GWS.
Carlton enticed him to play for us, instead of him being a one club player, AA , club champion... because he easily could do Govs intercept role. How we enticed him was with the view to be an onfield development coach for the kids. It appealed to him. We got our man 6 months ahead of Trade period.

SOS in defense hadn't even even been thought of at the time. It was decided to play SOS in the backline around the Draft period. So, blame SOS for Cooper. That would be closer to the pin.

There's no reason why we couldn't still take Cooper ahead of Evans, and White, and McMahon, or in the mid season draft. Nothing to do with Haynes.

Austin didn't even know what Draft picks he would have till after the Trade period, so I don't know how Nathan Cooper is even in this conversation.

There's good reason to pick Cooper. I like him, but FFS stop making up stories to suite your agenda. Blame Austin. He had an opportunity to pick Cooper, Haynes or no Haynes.

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I don't know if he was sacked early or late... But I do know for a 100% Fact from him and others that he left the club because Senior officials were interfering with his Job and imposing their Authority and opinions that we should recuit this or that! He didn't like that and rightly so!

Was SOS a bad recruiter for us? Maybe he was but is he bad in General at his Job? I am amused to see him do so well at the Saints... He has picked for them some real Gems and Talent from Late picks in the 40's and 50's, so he can't be that useless!

SOS has his heart always at Carlton. It is so Sad & Tragic the Fued he has had with the Club.....

Absolutely.

Can't believe Gov has been spared in the firing line. He's been ordinary according to everyone. I haven't heard anyone say he's been good this year, but I have heard the opposite in media and from Carlton supporters.

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