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Who should coach us next year?
Brad Scott 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Michael Voss 20%  20%  [ 19 ]
Mark Williams 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Don Pyke 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Danny Daly 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Scott Burns 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Giansiracusa 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Jaymie Graham 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Adam Kingsley 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Adam Yze 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Nigel Lappin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Jarrad Schofield 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Steven King 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:51 am 
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Sayers said this morning that he'll be on the phone to prospective candidates today

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:59 am 
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When we appointed Bolts, if memory serves, we interviewed a couple of others. But it seemed at the time they were a bit Clayton's-ish

Why do I get the feeling we're going down the same road with Ross

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:43 pm 
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Hopefully it isn't a sham process.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:01 pm 
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Yze or Caracella. Don't want to know about any of the experience coaches. Lyon is yesterday's man, style just won't suit our list, Buckley, bar two good years, struggled with a good list.

Problem is, the review missed the main issue. 20 years of lazy, half arsed, unmotivated playing efforts with a terrible playing culture. Just about every coach the players gave up on by year 3. Same confusion with game plans no matter who's been in charge. Players have got away with it again while the coach copped it in the neck. Means nothing will change. Next coach will be screwed in 3 years too. Hopefully we get a one year honeymoon period which might lift us over the threshold temporarily before it crashes.

What becomes of lazy soldiers who don't pull their weight?

They learn quickly, or they suffer slowly.

Hard coaches with hard approaches needed. No mercy. They will learn to bleed or they will learn to flip burgers.


We had Malthouse for that sadly.

But, yes, they do need to learn to bleed for the club or flip burgers.

Sacking Ratten for Malthouse really bit us so badly on the arse given what has happened since. Never has one sacking bitten anyone so badly.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:07 pm 
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if Ross is going to get coaching gig ,what about assistants do they go threw an interview process or who ever is senior coach just chooses.


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Newsflash. Afl head coach role not particularly secure job opportunity.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:37 pm 
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No we dont want a young coach we want an experienced premiership coach

out Ratten
in Malthouse

No we dont want an old coach we want a young coach

out Mathouse
in Bolton

No we dont want an inexperienced defensive coach we want a young attacking coach

out Bolton
in Teague

No we dont want a young attacking coach we want an experienced defensive coach

out Teague
in Lyon

This board is a farce and has been for over a decade same mistakes will be repeated - it's just the boards culture


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:43 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
No we dont want a young coach we want an experienced premiership coach

out Ratten
in Malthouse

No we dont want an old coach we want a young coach

out Mathouse
in Bolton

No we dont want an inexperienced defensive coach we want a young attacking coach

out Bolton
in Teague

No we dont want a young attacking coach we want an experienced defensive coach

out Teague
in Lyon

This board is a farce and has been for over a decade same mistakes will be repeated - it's just the boards culture

Turnover of presidents and 4 board members (half the board), external independent review found your boy not up to it (in addition to 3 assistants), and he telegraphed the same outcome weeks before it was completed through his victim tantrums.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:05 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
When we appointed Bolts, if memory serves, we interviewed a couple of others. But it seemed at the time they were a bit Clayton's-ish

Why do I get the feeling we're going down the same road with Ross


Bolton we did run a process but we didn’t get many applicants at all because the job was so difficult. Just Barker and Bolton the two serious candidates. Maybe Simon Lloyd too.

We asked Fagan and Dew to apply but both declined. Fagan actually said once he knocked us back he started to have regrets and so he took the opportunity with Brisbane the very next year when it came around. Sliding doors.

With Teague the process was a sham though. Interviewed Voss which didn’t go well then Teague won 5/7 to start with and we gave it to him.


Hopefully with Lyon it’s a mix of both. Get some candidates to pitch the presentation ideally Lyon, Buckley, Scott, Pyke and then make a selection from there with an open mind rather than ‘it’s Ross’ to lose’


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:08 pm 
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I don't actually believe it's a fait accompli that Lyon has the gig - he may well get it in the end but I honestly believe there's a solid handful of worthy candidates...almost want someone else to get the job just to shut down the crystal ball nuffies and push them back to pontificating on Covid conspiracies instead of Carlton ones


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:42 pm 
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I didn't realise Voss has been with Port since 2014. Hinkley doesn't suffer fools so he must rate Voss. I wonder how Voss would go as Lyons assistant.

Port is one of the most hard at it teams under Hinkley in the AFL and that's how Voss played.

Lyon, Voss, Soloman, Power and Bruce would make for an interesting mix. Surely that lot could get some ticker into those that are lacking.

Just spit balling, lets face it, I've got no idea about anyone. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:47 pm 
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I agree Cazz Voss would be good in my view as an assistant and has a good reputation given his work at Port

Blues have always been a fan of Voss as a coach for some reason


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Just one thing and one thing only ......... Let's do this properly

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:37 pm 
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jim wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
jim wrote:
Yze or Caracella. Don't want to know about any of the experience coaches. Lyon is yesterday's man, style just won't suit our list, Buckley, bar two good years, struggled with a good list.

Problem is, the review missed the main issue. 20 years of lazy, half arsed, unmotivated playing efforts with a terrible playing culture. Just about every coach the players gave up on by year 3. Same confusion with game plans no matter who's been in charge. Players have got away with it again while the coach copped it in the neck. Means nothing will change. Next coach will be screwed in 3 years too. Hopefully we get a one year honeymoon period which might lift us over the threshold temporarily before it crashes.

What becomes of lazy soldiers who don't pull their weight?

They learn quickly, or they suffer slowly.

Hard coaches with hard approaches needed. No mercy. They will learn to bleed or they will learn to flip burgers.


We had Malthouse for that sadly.

But, yes, they do need to learn to bleed for the club or flip burgers.

Sacking Ratten for Malthouse really bit us so badly on the arse given what has happened since. Never has on sacking bitten anyone so badly.

It all started when we sacked Wayne Brittain. The madness has been going on for 20 years.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:08 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
I don't have an issue with Ross taking over as coach but just curious. Are we going to go through a proper process and interview different candidates to determine who is best to take us forward, or are we just going to offer the job to Ross?

Go through the charade of interviews and process... then give it to Ross anyways?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:15 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
No we dont want a young coach we want an experienced premiership coach

out Ratten
in Malthouse

No we dont want an old coach we want a young coach

out Mathouse
in Bolton

No we dont want an inexperienced defensive coach we want a young attacking coach

out Bolton
in Teague

No we dont want a young attacking coach we want an experienced defensive coach

out Teague
in Lyon

This board is a farce and has been for over a decade same mistakes will be repeated - it's just the boards culture


Funny pattern isn't it..

I don't think anyone can predict the success or failure of the next coach, and I don't think the Board got the right man for the time, or, the list wasn't mature enough or deep enough to withstand the plethora of injuries Carlton had this year.

I reckon yesterday's Presser with Sayers and Liddle set the tone for a different Carlton, fully well knowing other than marchbank and cuningham, there will be a full list to pick from, another preseason under the players' belt and probably 2-3 new senior players.

The ducks are lining up, even for this Board.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:16 pm 
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malbi wrote:
jim wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
jim wrote:
Yze or Caracella. Don't want to know about any of the experience coaches. Lyon is yesterday's man, style just won't suit our list, Buckley, bar two good years, struggled with a good list.

Problem is, the review missed the main issue. 20 years of lazy, half arsed, unmotivated playing efforts with a terrible playing culture. Just about every coach the players gave up on by year 3. Same confusion with game plans no matter who's been in charge. Players have got away with it again while the coach copped it in the neck. Means nothing will change. Next coach will be screwed in 3 years too. Hopefully we get a one year honeymoon period which might lift us over the threshold temporarily before it crashes.

What becomes of lazy soldiers who don't pull their weight?

They learn quickly, or they suffer slowly.

Hard coaches with hard approaches needed. No mercy. They will learn to bleed or they will learn to flip burgers.


We had Malthouse for that sadly.

But, yes, they do need to learn to bleed for the club or flip burgers.

Sacking Ratten for Malthouse really bit us so badly on the arse given what has happened since. Never has on sacking bitten anyone so badly.

It all started when we sacked Wayne Brittain. The madness has been going on for 20 years.


Poor Brittain.

Elliot started this mess. Thank god he's gone.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:21 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
Effes wrote:
No doubt Ross can coach, but he does tend to leave with club lists in horrible shape (see Fremantle/STK).

Hopefully more careful with trading this time around (see Andrew Lovett).

Most coaches leave with things not looking too great



..you've got to make a hard run at the flag, that involves creative thinking, bold decisions,, and then rolling the dice..

....we've got a very good, long-term spine.. ....load up on onballers, and demand 100% every quarter of every game.. ....and never back down from the contest or confrontation..

..I believe our list has under performed, even taking into account the injuries.. ....hard nosed coaches, hard nose leaders..

..and a core of footballers driving on field tactics, athletes play the fringes.. ....and swap mensa game plans for fanatical pressure..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:23 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
I agree Cazz Voss would be good in my view as an assistant and has a good reputation given his work at Port

Blues have always been a fan of Voss as a coach for some reason


Probably because he grew up playing for the blues as did Lyon

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:26 pm 
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We've been sacking coaches ever since I can remember... it's in our DNA

A part of me was hoping we'd find another way this time around... may have been an unpopular decision but stick by Teague and improve the people around him... be brave... at least for another year and see what happens.

I don't know if Teague was/is the right coach... but I do know I have no faith in this clubs 'process' and decision making...

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