If we can't beat the young and depleted pies at the G we really need to start now. It's not Mick's fault, he needs to be the coach to re-build.

If we don't beat collingwood I'd suggest Carrazzo, Ellard, Curnow, Wood, Warnock & Walker all be played in patches to decide which we keep, while playing Whiley, Buckley, CRIPPS, DVR, KJ, Doch, Sheehan, Byrnes etc as much as possible to get games into them.

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Good point.

I think GWS also picked a good mix of coaches to help their players develop.

It's worth noting that on paper it looked like GWS went overboard on tall players and I believe that if Carlton were in GWS' shoes, they would have halted by the pick that snared them Cameron McCarthy. Before that they had Jeremy Cameron, Jonathon Patton, Adam Tomlinson and Kristian Jaksch already on their list and they had just drafted Tom Boyd. A few years later two of those players have gone, another is plagued by injury and Cameron McCarthy has a breakout game. It just goes to show that you really can't have too much of a good thing and an overly rationalist approach (one that I believe has plagued Carlton for too many years) seems to do more harm than good.

Before anyone says that GWS can afford to do things that way because of all the concessions, etc; I think the example still translates on a smaller scale.

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Paf when you moot that strategy let's not forget that they had a larger list to experiment with.

The exodus has been to the degree where they are actually under their current list requirements to maintain their cap figure. It's a balancing act for them now, but it's been a very good job so far.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Of course not.
Mick is absolved of all responsibility.
Just out of interest, how did our previous coach obtain better results with a younger list that was apparently lesser quality?
And yet Mick bears no responsibility in his third season.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

He had the same core players, in their prime, then he started to draft poorly after leaving himself short on depth at either end.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Rubbish. Some of those players should be in their absolute prime now.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

None of them except Gibbs & Murphy.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Thank god I think we are finally coming to terms with a rebuild - about a year too late - selection this week finally embraces it - Hoo -bloody - ray - cripps bell buckley bokehorst whiley jaksch

Still need to move on a few plodders but finally grasping nettle - byrne menzel and smith all will be back hopefully

Hope all these young guys have a great game tonight and become the backbone of our success in the future