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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:42 pm 
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similar people that do independent reports for all kinds of places organisations corporations govt depts

not sure how a footy club is any different....

the biggest myth is it cant be done to a footy club

as a carlton supporter you should be demanding this club is audited thoroughly in all its governance issues ,practices ,policies, depts , processes and finances

is somebody trying to say that cant be done??

would only be embarrassing because we are...


I don't disagree, I am just interested in the mechanics of how it would work. Who are the reviewers/auditors answerable to? Will that person/group of people have the ability to massage and soften the messages in that report or will it be made available unedited to any paid up member/unfinancial supporter/newspaper writer?

I don't trust anyone currently employed or elected by the club to take on board whatever the outcomes of such a report would be ans I am almost positive that a conditiom of the audit/review would be that the admin or board own the report and can edit it or release only the parts that suit their narrative.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:58 pm 
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Distinctly different from the cash obtained from the greed and corruption of the cardboard industry, from what I understand.


Milk cartons should come with warnings.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:00 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
Synbad wrote:
similar people that do independent reports for all kinds of places organisations corporations govt depts

not sure how a footy club is any different....

the biggest myth is it cant be done to a footy club

as a carlton supporter you should be demanding this club is audited thoroughly in all its governance issues ,practices ,policies, depts , processes and finances

is somebody trying to say that cant be done??

would only be embarrassing because we are...


I don't disagree, I am just interested in the mechanics of how it would work. Who are the reviewers/auditors answerable to? Will that person/group of people have the ability to massage and soften the messages in that report or will it be made available unedited to any paid up member/unfinancial supporter/newspaper writer?

I don't trust anyone currently employed or elected by the club to take on board whatever the outcomes of such a report would be ans I am almost positive that a conditiom of the audit/review would be that the admin or board own the report and can edit it or release only the parts that suit their narrative.


From what I remember last time with discussed this I don't think the pirate has an answer to this one.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:38 pm 
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Look my girlfriend is pretty average but my wife on the other hand is hot.

:razz:

I've heard your boyfriend is a bit of orright too.... ;-)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:55 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
hahaha

talk to carlton supporters and see if they feel they belong to anything that means something to them anymore
its about identifying

nobody can identify with this rubbish we get served up.. its not the results on the footy field for me.. but in the end it all crystalises onto the footy field anyway

thats where all is translated


I agree the off field stuff is bananas. Has been for a generation or more. However I still don't know what the Pies, Hawks, Bomber, Tiger fans identify with? What is it? What is this intangible?

Just as aside Port were rooted a couple of years ago. 15,000 crowds, membership down etc etc. It can be turned around but I fear we are getting much of the same. Point in case: why did it take our exec 3 months after our membership officially opened to realize their was a cash flow issue. Did they not forecast membership numbers at various points on the calendar? Were there unforeseen pay-outs?
No it seems to me they F&&&&& off for xmas, enjoyed the festive season and worried about it when they got back from their holidays. No urgency!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:12 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Look my girlfriend is pretty average but my wife on the other hand is hot.

:razz:

I've heard your boyfriend is a bit of orright too.... ;-)



You've got a few tickets on yourself, haven't you Moshe?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:21 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Synbad wrote:
hahaha

talk to carlton supporters and see if they feel they belong to anything that means something to them anymore
its about identifying

nobody can identify with this rubbish we get served up.. its not the results on the footy field for me.. but in the end it all crystalises onto the footy field anyway

thats where all is translated


I agree the off field stuff is bananas. Has been for a generation or more. However I still don't know what the Pies, Hawks, Bomber, Tiger fans identify with? What is it? What is this intangible?

Just as aside Port were rooted a couple of years ago. 15,000 crowds, membership down etc etc. It can be turned around but I fear we are getting much of the same. Point in case: why did it take our exec 3 months after our membership officially opened to realize their was a cash flow issue. Did they not forecast membership numbers at various points on the calendar? Were there unforeseen pay-outs?
No it seems to me they F&&&&& off for xmas, enjoyed the festive season and worried about it when they got back from their holidays. No urgency!


Start with why. This explains why others are successful. If you have a spare 18 minutes, do yourself a favour and listen to Simon Sinek.

http://youtu.be/u4ZoJKF_VuA

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:32 pm 
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dane wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Synbad wrote:
similar people that do independent reports for all kinds of places organisations corporations govt depts

not sure how a footy club is any different....

the biggest myth is it cant be done to a footy club

as a carlton supporter you should be demanding this club is audited thoroughly in all its governance issues ,practices ,policies, depts , processes and finances

is somebody trying to say that cant be done??

would only be embarrassing because we are...


I don't disagree, I am just interested in the mechanics of how it would work. Who are the reviewers/auditors answerable to? Will that person/group of people have the ability to massage and soften the messages in that report or will it be made available unedited to any paid up member/unfinancial supporter/newspaper writer?

I don't trust anyone currently employed or elected by the club to take on board whatever the outcomes of such a report would be ans I am almost positive that a conditiom of the audit/review would be that the admin or board own the report and can edit it or release only the parts that suit their narrative.


From what I remember last time with discussed this I don't think the pirate has an answer to this one.

There are companies that do this all the time. How do you think tens of thousands of independent reports and reviews are fine yearly around this great nation of ours? You want a name? Lol
I think that's when you know you're a Dane.. When you get down to this level
Impossible can't have one.... Lol

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:33 pm 
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Unbelievable logic.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:36 pm 
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What you gonna review?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:36 pm 
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What's port got that we don't have?
What's hawthorn got that we don't have?
What's collingwood have that we don't have?
What's this or that for that we don't have?
We're as pathetic as anybody that's pathetic. Why not compare us with Melbourne or stkilda?
Teams that stand for nothing

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:51 pm 
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..Synners, we do stand for something.. ..quick fixes, and cover ups..

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:56 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
What's port got that we don't have?
What's hawthorn got that we don't have?
What's collingwood have that we don't have?
What's this or that for that we don't have?
We're as pathetic as anybody that's pathetic. Why not compare us with Melbourne or stkilda?
Teams that stand for nothing


Mate lm simply comparing against teams that have more members than us. I know we are pathetic.

Does that mean that bombers & tigers are not pathetic?

Is our executive team worst than those teams?

Again what is it that the top teams do that do not leave their fans feeling disenchanted.

BTW l don't feel the love for my team the way l loved my team 20 odd years ago.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:35 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
What's port got that we don't have?
What's hawthorn got that we don't have?
What's collingwood have that we don't have?
What's this or that for that we don't have?
We're as pathetic as anybody that's pathetic. Why not compare us with Melbourne or stkilda?
Teams that stand for nothing

The answer to this is very simple
Port been the dominate side in SA for over 100 years winning the comp more than others in a 2 team state
Collingwood appears on average in a gran final every 3 years and very rarely misses the finals
Hawks by any measure the best team in the comp for 30 plus years appeared in grand finals at least once every 3 years.

What do they have we dont

They WIN

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:01 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
What's port got that we don't have?
What's hawthorn got that we don't have?
What's collingwood have that we don't have?
What's this or that for that we don't have?
We're as pathetic as anybody that's pathetic. Why not compare us with Melbourne or stkilda?
Teams that stand for nothing



They all have a culture and a community type feel to their supporter base. We don't.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:52 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
dane wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Synbad wrote:
similar people that do independent reports for all kinds of places organisations corporations govt depts

not sure how a footy club is any different....

the biggest myth is it cant be done to a footy club

as a carlton supporter you should be demanding this club is audited thoroughly in all its governance issues ,practices ,policies, depts , processes and finances

is somebody trying to say that cant be done??

would only be embarrassing because we are...


I don't disagree, I am just interested in the mechanics of how it would work. Who are the reviewers/auditors answerable to? Will that person/group of people have the ability to massage and soften the messages in that report or will it be made available unedited to any paid up member/unfinancial supporter/newspaper writer?

I don't trust anyone currently employed or elected by the club to take on board whatever the outcomes of such a report would be ans I am almost positive that a conditiom of the audit/review would be that the admin or board own the report and can edit it or release only the parts that suit their narrative.


From what I remember last time with discussed this I don't think the pirate has an answer to this one.

There are companies that do this all the time. How do you think tens of thousands of independent reports and reviews are fine yearly around this great nation of ours? You want a name? Lol
I think that's when you know you're a Dane.. When you get down to this level
Impossible can't have one.... Lol

I am just saying that I dont trust them to hide or only release parts that suit the agenda they are currently running. Board commissions the report. If they dont like what it says they just bury it.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:01 pm 
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thats why i said you need honesty and integrity to stare at what you are in the face....

and thats precisely why the club doesnt do it...

its not honest

an honest club would want an outside opinion on why its running on 2 cylinders

internally they wouldnt be able to put their finger on it.. because they wouldnt know.. and its because they dont know.. and arent honest that were falling of the cliff.

we can all pretend.. were a big club....

but its not true

were mediocre

there are reasons for that

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:17 pm 
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tappedy tap tap tap.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:23 pm 
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winning will bring members is just the same simplistic logic as the clubs

u cant win if youre crap

were crap.... not because we dont win... we dont win because were crap

you cant win when youre crap.. so we dont win ....

its just how it is..

its really about being a stand up club.. were not.. were a cheating lazy arrogant club

the quicker people see that the better...

cheating not re salary cap or doping etc

cheating because were alway looking for shortcuts and not to do things properly

bob segar and the silverbullet band.. were the band

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:52 pm 
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bob segar and the silverbullet band.. were the band



...and now it's time to turn the page, right?

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