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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:00 am 
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He compared walker to dunstall and Lockett, saying he's a traditional FF like then. He said they were champions of the game and walkers not there yet but he's on his way and he's still young

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:08 am 
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One of our most important games of the year. Win this and we're 2-3, with the very real possibility of winning next week and going 3-3 against Melbourne. Season could get back on track and we stay in touch with the other sides. With the Tigers losing last night, and facing Geelong next week, we could be back to level pegging with them for the year. Reckon today will determine whether we make the eight or not this year.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:44 am 
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I wouldn't worry about Thompson. Shut down Dangerfield, shut down Adelaide. He's the guy we should be most worried about.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:10 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
harker wrote:
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I'm with Bondi.
Kruezer has all the tools to be the powerful forward we are all craving for.....Warnock is the key.


I used to think that too.
The sum of the parts seem to fit but the end result just doesn't seem to work.
We want a key forward for next year, we'll have to buy one.


Do you think we have given him a long enough run to help developed him as a forward though. Kruezer is an out and out gun on the way to being a champion, but that doesn't mean he still won't need consistent time forward before he nails is.


Kreuzer doesn't want to be a forward and that may just be the sticking point.
I know he has no say in where he's played but he just hasn't the belief that he'd make good up forward, for protracted periods of time in a game.

Not sure what it is, as watching Kreuzer on the track suggests he'd make for a good forward but game-day has rarely shown up the same picture.
Guess it's largely up to MM now as to what he wants to do, but I'd hate to see Kreuzer develop into a Leigh Brown type. Think he adds so much more around the ground.


And for me that's the issue. We have two genuine No.1 rucks. Do we trade one at the end of the year to help improve our list?

Personally, I believe Warnock could be the most dominate but can he stay fit?

How many times do we see a ruckman go to another club, get the No.1 ruck role and thrive?


So we still have the same problem of 3 into to doesn't go, should we telling Hampson that his role at the club is going to be as a tall forward and maybe doing the deep forward line ruck work, that at least may allow all 3 to be played particularly as we could then drop one behind the play or back into the backline to give the defenders a chop out.

Phsyc, I would be interested to hear your views as to why you think Kruzer couldn't be adapted to play a permanent forward role (if you have previously posted these thoughts I apologize for asking you to do it again) He does seem to have the ability to take a grab up forward and him mobility should also be an asset, I am not sure which way is right but it does have to be definitively sorted out before we consider letting any one of them go.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:13 am 
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Megaman wrote:
Bit hard for any of them to really stake a claim as the clear #1 when they have all spent vast amounts of time over the last 2-3yr injured.

Hammer - PCLs etc
Kreuz - knee, toe, thumb
Warnock - ankle/foot?, shoulders


I agree Megaman, it is highly possible that we haven't seen the best of any of them and with a consistent run at it all 3 in the same side may just work, we have to find out for sure before we consider letting any of them go.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:25 am 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
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Noticed Mick absolutely pumped up taylor walker's tyres at today's presser :thumbsup:


You wouldn't happen to have a link to it?




http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2013- ... april-2013


3 min 20 sec

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:45 am 
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Andain wrote:
I wouldn't worry about Thompson. Shut down Dangerfield, shut down Adelaide. He's the guy we should be most worried about.

I reckon that's mick doing some magic trickery. You know, distract people with the left hand while hiding the coin in the right.

He'll get carrots to sit on dangerfield.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:47 am 
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Kreuzer, Warnock, and Hampson should NEVER be played in the same side

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:17 am 
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I'll be taking by 6yr old daughter to her first match today! C'mon boys make it memorable.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:46 am 
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blues8182 wrote:

So we still have the same problem of 3 into to doesn't go, should we telling Hampson that his role at the club is going to be as a tall forward and maybe doing the deep forward line ruck work, that at least may allow all 3 to be played particularly as we could then drop one behind the play or back into the backline to give the defenders a chop out.

Phsyc, I would be interested to hear your views as to why you think Kruzer couldn't be adapted to play a permanent forward role (if you have previously posted these thoughts I apologize for asking you to do it again) He does seem to have the ability to take a grab up forward and him mobility should also be an asset, I am not sure which way is right but it does have to be definitively sorted out before we consider letting any one of them go.


I can't believe people still think Kreuzer is a strong mark. He doesn't leap, he puts his hands straight up above his head and I swear he has his eyes closed half the time. If anybody taller than ballantyne goes at the footy he doesn't stand a chance.

He's certainly very mobile, for a ruckmen. But any KPD worth his salt has the tank and, crucially, the closing speed to blanket him. Whatever mobility he might have is also a bit redundant without forward nous. Kruezer has a knack for mobile-y getting himself to the wrong pocket.

To be clear, he's an incredible 1st ruck and is one of my favourite players. He's just no KPF.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:50 am 
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Is the game going to be streamed anywhere?
Cheers, yep no foxtel for me


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:53 am 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Is the game going to be streamed anywhere?
Cheers, yep no foxtel for me


Yes, it is.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:57 am 
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Essendon* proved that shutting down Dangerfield destroys Adelaide. If Hocking can cover Dangerfield I'm sure Carrots or Armfield can do the same.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:58 am 
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harker wrote:
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Is the game going to be streamed anywhere?
Cheers, yep no foxtel for me


Yes, it is.

Is apples still around?

His last two streams have been shut down... :mad:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:59 am 
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blues8182 wrote:
Phsyc, I would be interested to hear your views as to why you think Kruzer couldn't be adapted to play a permanent forward role (if you have previously posted these thoughts I apologize for asking you to do it again) He does seem to have the ability to take a grab up forward and him mobility should also be an asset, I am not sure which way is right but it does have to be definitively sorted out before we consider letting any one of them go.


Its a completely different skill and mind set. The only similarity is that they are all tall. I have NEVER seen it work let alone make a side a top side. Even if you don't have a gun key forward you are better off playing someone who understands how to play the position. There is a such a great skill in knowing how to get to the right position, where to lead etc. It isn't easy and very hard to teach. With the game becoming more and more about structures and positioning it is even more vital.

Sam Reid for Sydney is a prime example. Really struggling to have an influence but he makes such a difference to the positioning and effectiveness of a forward line.

A Key forward also needs the mentality that they want the ball and can win the game. It's part of their DNA and CANNOT be faked. The greatest had it. Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett, Carey etc.

Kruezer is a ruckman. A potential gun ruckman. Its why he went No.1. He is a competitor, its where he feels comfortable. Why try and force something else on him? You will confuse them, effect their development and in some cases mentally scare their confidence. It will only confuse and disrupt improvement. Can he drop forward at times? Sure, and he will catch the opposition off guard.

Hampson, I saw as a 17 year old coming across to AFL on the Gold Coast. His athletic testing was awesome, he is an incredible athlete, and he took to the game really well. He was recruited as a ruckman and has played the game for only 8 years!!! I expected him to be a gun. Unfortunately over the past few years he has been forced to be a forward. IMO it has stunted his development and could easily kill his career. What a waste. He tries and he trains as hard as anyone at it. He has hard hands, is a poor kick for goal and his positioning is rarely to advantage. He should be running around the ground like NicNat but is confused. You can see it in his decision making.

IMO too many people get excited about 1 or 2 highlights but it doesn't make a career.

The best development of any group of players is to get the BEST out of each individual. Trying to make them something they are not, and not using their strengths will not work and restrict your list development. It is my greatest criticism of the past 5-8 years.

Kruezer is a Ruckman
Hampson is a Ruckman
McCarthy is a CHB
Walker is an endurance athlete
Waite is a defender
Gibbs is a Midfielder
Watson is a CHB etc etc.

It's really p1sses me off. Go to Geelong and look how they do it!!!

What astounds me is when I hear coaches say "we were looking at his junior career and found he was a forward, so we thought we'd move him there" FFS. :banghead:

Imagine playing Betts as a defender?

Leigh Mathews always said that forwards are born not created. He also wanted gun ruckmen.

As such brought guys like Bradshaw, Leppitsch, Brown into sides early to get them ready. Mal Michael was recruited for that reason but after only a few games Mathews moved him to FB. Said he wasn't a forward. End of story. Its why Lynch, although not a great goalkicker was so vital to their structure. That's why I push for Jesse White. Is he a star. Not even close but he is a natural forward and he gets to the right spots and creates space and we will get him for nothing. It will also allow others to develop alongside.

For me we are trying to fit 3 into 1 and it doesn't work. Come second half of the year I hope we put time into Casboult, Mitchell & Rowe. They need to be given time to see if they are the future. If not we have to look elsewhere.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:03 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:

A Key forward also needs the mentality that they want the ball and can win the game. The greatest had it. Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett, Carey etc. AND FEV



Spot on Psy


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:20 pm 
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barass wrote:
I'll be taking by 6yr old daughter to her first match today! C'mon boys make it memorable.


Hey Barass,
If the game was on at a normal Sat. time my 6 yr old daughter would be making her debut as well!
As it happens she'll have to wait for the Port Adelaide game.

Have fun .... and hope she comes away with her first win. :thumbsup:


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BigKev wrote:
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I'll be taking by 6yr old daughter to her first match today! C'mon boys make it memorable.


Hey Barass,
If the game was on at a normal Sat. time my 6 yr old daughter would be making her debut as well!
As it happens she'll have to wait for the Port Adelaide game.

Have fun .... and hope she comes away with her first win. :thumbsup:


Cheers Big Kev :thumbsup: . Let's hope so

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