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Do you want Travis Cloke if it costs us $5m over 5 years?
YES 25%  25%  [ 94 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:16 am 
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If they land Cloke the entire forward structure would have to be rebuilt it would mean Hendo would become a backman for sure - Walker most likely need to reinvent himself again - Casboult Hampson and Mitchell will be reserve players and a big question mark on what to do with Waite and Warnock

We have a stack of players that could play second fiddle to Cloke up forward but no one is a real standout


IF Cloke came...

Cloke key forward. Waite second tall (he'd be unstoppable as the second tall. Could even play the swingman wing role). Second ruckman / third tall - say Casboult, but could be Hampson or Rowe They fight for that spot. Walker mid-size forward, Betts and Garlett smalls (as an example. I think Betts and Garlett should have more time in the midfield, so Murphy, Gibbs etc might have time forward).

Warnock I would trade.

Give Mitchell a full season in the twos. Groom him to hopefully take over from Waite as the second tall alongside Cloke.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:48 am 
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But much bigger, he's 197cm & 107kgs. Imagine having White and Casboult as the big targets up inside 30 and relieving in the ruck. Warnock does 80% with Casboult/White having impacts at different times. Henderson as the working CHF with Waite loose and Eddie/Garlett underneath. Not bad.


..krooz & hammer..??..


They're Ruckman not forwards. White/Casboult are more forwards who can relieve in the ruck. With the current bench and the possibility of going to 2/2 one ruckman with a part time backup will be the norm.

You missed his point Psych. If you have Warnock doing 80% of the ruckwork with Casboult/White as pinch ruckmen and a full forward line, where do you consider Hammer and more importantly, Kreuzer will be? Northern Blues? Traded?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:52 am 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

..krooz & hammer..??..


They're Ruckman not forwards. White/Casboult are more forwards who can relieve in the ruck. With the current bench and the possibility of going to 2/2 one ruckman with a part time backup will be the norm.

You misse his point Psych. If you have Warnock doing 80% of the ruckwork with Casboult/White as pinch ruckmen and a full forward line, where does you consider Hammer and more importantly, Kreuzer will be? Northern Blues? Traded?


I understand his point. MM will not play 2 ruckman, limits rotations and flexibility too much. One will be traded if the right deal happens. If not it will be three ruckman fighting for the one spot.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:29 pm 
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Jesse White is a spud



And a terrible kick for goal

He would fit in well :grin:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:34 pm 
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Siegfried wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
If they land Cloke the entire forward structure would have to be rebuilt it would mean Hendo would become a backman for sure - Walker most likely need to reinvent himself again - Casboult Hampson and Mitchell will be reserve players and a big question mark on what to do with Waite and Warnock

We have a stack of players that could play second fiddle to Cloke up forward but no one is a real standout


IF Cloke came...

Cloke key forward. Waite second tall (he'd be unstoppable as the second tall. Could even play the swingman wing role). Second ruckman / third tall - say Casboult, but could be Hampson or Rowe They fight for that spot. Walker mid-size forward, Betts and Garlett smalls (as an example. I think Betts and Garlett should have more time in the midfield, so Murphy, Gibbs etc might have time forward).

Warnock I would trade.

Give Mitchell a full season in the twos. Groom him to hopefully take over from Waite as the second tall alongside Cloke.


If you could insert a "key forward" other than a tool like Cloke, I'd really like this Ziggy. Butcher, maybe?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:29 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
Siegfried wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
If they land Cloke the entire forward structure would have to be rebuilt it would mean Hendo would become a backman for sure - Walker most likely need to reinvent himself again - Casboult Hampson and Mitchell will be reserve players and a big question mark on what to do with Waite and Warnock

We have a stack of players that could play second fiddle to Cloke up forward but no one is a real standout


IF Cloke came...

Cloke key forward. Waite second tall (he'd be unstoppable as the second tall. Could even play the swingman wing role). Second ruckman / third tall - say Casboult, but could be Hampson or Rowe They fight for that spot. Walker mid-size forward, Betts and Garlett smalls (as an example. I think Betts and Garlett should have more time in the midfield, so Murphy, Gibbs etc might have time forward).

Warnock I would trade.

Give Mitchell a full season in the twos. Groom him to hopefully take over from Waite as the second tall alongside Cloke.


If you could insert a "key forward" other than a tool like Cloke, I'd really like this Ziggy. Butcher, maybe?


Again, we'd have to trade for Butcher, although he'd be on a lot less money. Not available anyway.

Out of interest, a lot of people on here seem to think that Cloke is a tool. Can I ask why? Other than this negotiation, which has got messy and has father David's fingerprints all over it), what has Travis Cloke done that makes him a tool? I am unaware of any off-field trouble, his team mates seem to like him, and on field he puts in, has had a couple of great years and managed to kick 50 goals in an ordinary year.

Seems to me that sentiment comes from the fact of this current negotiation and the fact that he plays for Collingwood. Reasons of emotion and not logic if you ask me.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:34 pm 
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I don't think he's a tool.

He's just a bit dopey (no problem for a footballer) and terribly overrated (bit of a problem for a footballer).

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:35 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
I don't think he's a tool.

He's just a bit dopey (no problem for a footballer) and terribly overrated (bit of a problem for a footballer).



Mind you, I'd rather get Cloke for nothing (trade wise) than Dawes for our first round pick.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:06 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
camelboy wrote:
I don't think he's a tool.

He's just a bit dopey (no problem for a footballer) and terribly overrated (bit of a problem for a footballer).



Mind you, I'd rather get Cloke for nothing (trade wise) than Dawes for our first round pick.



There would be alot of other words to describe the one that made that a reality. :screwy:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:07 pm 
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Dont forget... i think its six years not five....

Pretty sure....

Story is Freo have offered him more... but he is happy to come to us....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:31 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Story is Freo have offered him more... but he is happy to come to us....


Doesn't want to move away from his daddy.

We should play hard ball.

Offer him 7 years and $2m per year!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:32 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Dont forget... i think its six years not five....
Pretty sure....
Story is Freo have offered him more... but he is happy to come to us....


You're sounding pretty confident Synbad.
What have you got on a scale of 1 - 10?

The Freo, GWS and even GC rumours come across as just a little folly, yet the Carlton ones are holding up very well.
Pen to paper date?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:37 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Story is Freo have offered him more... but he is happy to come to us....


Doesn't want to move away from his daddy.
We should play hard ball.
Offer him 7 years and $2m per year!


We saw what happened when Camels moved to S.A.
Travis won't move of his own accord.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:43 pm 
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But I moved away from SA. :P

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:59 pm 
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I will be very surprised if he doesn't end up at Carlton.....Just not happy with what he will cost us.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:00 pm 
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Cloke's have said all along it is the length of the contract and not the money. If Pies are offering 700 to 800k 4yr deal with 5th year dependant on certain KPI's being met and then we come along and offer the same coin and offer 6yrs they wold seriously have to consider it.

Greg Swan said yesterday that they have not spoken to Cloke, but I don't buy that. They must have spoken to Ralph Carr to give an indication of what they would offer.

Obviously I have not evidence and this is all speculative. I do trust however that Synbad is on the money. I am new here, but I have heard of the great Synbad on other CFC forums. :razz: :razz:

One thing is for sure, things will coe to a head once finals are over for the Pies.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:01 pm 
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harker wrote:
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Dont forget... i think its six years not five....
Pretty sure....
Story is Freo have offered him more... but he is happy to come to us....


You're sounding pretty confident Synbad.
What have you got on a scale of 1 - 10?

The Freo, GWS and even GC rumours come across as just a little folly, yet the Carlton ones are holding up very well.
Pen to paper date?

No Freo are interested.
He isnt interested in them and has told them that.....
Its Carlton or Collingwood.
70% us(guess)... he can change his mind ... and stay..... but he will be on less...
He prefer to play for Collingwood ... under MM....

Which cant happen....

oh and more importantly... one last contract to see him out

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camelboy wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Story is Freo have offered him more... but he is happy to come to us....


Doesn't want to move away from his daddy.

We should play hard ball.

Offer him 7 years and $2m per year!



Offer him tenure and $1m per game.

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Would you give him $5m/$6m for 5-6 yrs, Synners?

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So Travis Cloke's manager is Ralph Carr, the ex Carlton board member?

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