I don't believe I'm even remotely qualified to judge whether they are or aren't.

I'm pretty sure they know a little bit more than me though.

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Ratts has got us playing an uncontested soft brand of football. If we had exceptional foot skills, we might be able to pull it off. But we don't and I don't think is going to get us very far.

Keogh are you claiming to know every thing about the appointment of Ratts as coach?

Give us the dates of when Voss was approached and the exact time they met with Mathews at Tulla. Fill us in with what you know.

Cant wait to hear. No guessing either.

Was it you that wanted Carrazzo captaina few months back and now you want Simpson? If you were in charge would you now be going about sacking Carrazzo to appoint Simpson only months later.

Could you just be a frustrated Blues fan saying the first thing on your mind?

I dont know when and where they spoke of either of them.

So that makes me not worthy of passing comment on how the senior coach was appointed.


Look to me its like this

1 Elliott went out and got a coach whose used by date was up. Sticks was there when this occured

2 They extended Pagan's contract to 2008 after he wins the flower Wizard Cup


3 Pagan is sacked and Ratten is appointed interim coach for the last 6 games of the 2007 season over a year before Pagan's contract is up.

4 Carlton peform better under Ratten as always when a new coach comes the helm.
Bart Simpson would have a more positive influence than Pagan. We tank appropriately and get Kreuzer

5 I know the club spoke to Voss.Thank god we didnt get him.

6 2010 We are better than 2007 because we have greater talent. So we should be when we have finished on the bottom or near it for half a decade. However we are going backwards with a guy with a lack of AFL experience before he was appointed.

So I have been honest

Tell me
How many potential coaches were interviewed by a transparent perseptive panel before Ratten was appointed
And how many interviews did Ratten go through to get the job.

Love to know your answer to that one


It seems to me that Carlton are stuck in the 1980s still

We just dont learn from our mistakes.


And dont quote me I know everything about Ratten's appointment


I dont but am questioning the thoroughness of the interview process.

Yep wanted carrots as captain. Wrong there. carrots has gone backwards as a player.
Doesnt help when the coach tries to turn him into a tagger.

One thing is it seems to me Judd is a reluctant captain. Simmo seems a leader all the time onfield at least.

See quite happy to admit i am wrong when I am sometimes

just tell me now
Who was interviewed for the job
how many interviews did ratten have before being appointed.

I dont know who was interviewed and by whom except the four or five names that everyone knows. Thats why i dont go on about it except when people get on here claiming stuff they surely wouldnt have clue about either. When that happens all i ask is what they know and request no guessing. I dont get much back except for the same old sheep line about Sticks being Ratts mate.

besides Voss and Ratten who else

Chris Bond was definitely in the mix.

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It's funny to think that we have been arguing about this for a year, and the team is also in a similar position ladder-wise.
Feels like we're going round and round.


Sticks is legitimately the President, however the circumstances are slightly unusual.
The members are the club.
I think from what I can perceive, the general feeling among the membership base is unease at the coaching structures in place, the hiring processes, and the evaluation processes.
I don't have experience running a footy club, but I'm smart enough and experienced enough in business to recognize that the club's operations under the Sticks presidency are not as transparent or as independently scrutinized as they should be.

I think the track record under his watch is sufficient to warrant a review of some sort - I think this would be in line with the general wishes of the members as it stands.
If I was a Lions supporter I would be flowering FURIOUS that they are letting Voss review himself.

I'm not suggesting that every member gets to vote on the coach, or we go around grilling everyone and pointing the finger. w
We have so many great footballers and football brains associated with the club.
Why not welcome their contributions in a more formal manner, instead of hearing them utter disappointed comments and fire off little criticisms in the media.

Get Walls and Parkin in to do an assessment, or a think tank, or a strategy document, SOMETHING. Get someone from a different club background as well if that will help.
We don't necessarily need to go as far as appointing Parkin head of coaches, but get all these guys on board in a concerted effort to build the next premiership.
Get Kouta to put in a fair dinkum effort at being constructive now that he has put aside his coaching aspirations for the time being.
If Ratts and Swanny are here to stay, then don't put it all on their shoulders.
Get a team in place.

CARLTON 2013 - ONE CLUB ONE GOAL

Let me stress I don't think we need to jump off the deep end, but I think the people running things at the moment are at a critical juncture, and could use some constructive help.
This is a critical point in our development cycle.
Maybe it's not just Ratts - maybe Wayne Hughes needs some help.
Maybe we need someone in a role like Chris Connolly with fresh eyes to help re-organize and re-invigorate.
Maybe we need to make a change in Swann or Icke's position to effect useful improvements.

Too many cooks spoil the broth - but a great leader is never afraid to learn and accept help from others.

Let's be positive, let's be constructive, let's change what we're doing slightly - tweak it.
Get the club all moving toward a goal, rather than arguing about one person's role (as important as the coach is).

If we have a functional club as organized as an army with a single goal we will be successful.

Mckenna Voss Ratts Bond that we know of. A meeting with Mathews. Not sure if that was about Voss or checking where he was at.
That is what we know.
I am sure they would have got in touch with the managers of the big name coaches throughout 2007 in between schmoozing Judd.

Good stuff !

Carrots should only be a tagger and has got some good scalps this year, my belief is he doesn't like being a tagger and thats why his form has dropped off.

In much the same way when he was tried down back he sulked.

He's a good average player, and if he can help out by being a mainly defensive onballer than he should do it. Trouble is I thinkhe wants to be given free reign. Trouble is he's JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

But Carrots can be trusted off-field, so his lack of team work on field is fine.

If we lose tonight, I hope the admin of every Carlton board closes them until trade week starts.

The great unwashed will be out in force.

I'm a positive person; but if we lose tonight; it'll prove we have a serious problem.....very serious.

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Another nervous nelly here... but I am completely disillusioned as a Carlton supporter. We just seem to be in some sort of footballing black hole with non-existant player development, team and coach structures and worst of all passion.

Watching the Ants today only deepened my supporter depression. What the hell has happened to Austin?!!? He looked gone today

Heart and head says we will lose tonight and this will only be another confirmation of how bad things are at Princes Park. And I believe we do have serious problems!

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C'mon Blueboys!

For me I am finding it hard to keep the faith right now. A few years ago we had excuses, now we don't and it hurts so much more...... I was not gonna watch tonight but I can't help myself.

Still in the eight so no need to worry.

If we make the eight it's seen as an achievment......... id much rather us miss out and finish in the bottom 4-6..... which is were we deserve to be.

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The gospel according to Ratten