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17th Premiership
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:32 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Yarran + Warnock + pick 8 -> StKilda

Pick 3 + Pick 21 -> Carlton


Don't see why you'd trade pick 8 plus 2 players for pick 3 (& 21) unless there is a specific top 3 target who is a clear stand out gun. not much of that in the past few years - just as much chance that pick 8 could turn out to be the gun.
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Rexy
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a top 3 pick is the best of the best


...well it should be anyway
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Synbad
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We have a galaxy of much maligned players with our first round picks... its amazing.
Say start at 2000 and work your way to the present.
We have also had a bunch of late picks who have been around the club loonger than you should have.. Guys who played few games and been on the list for too long.

Then we have 2nd 3rd round picks that have vanished

were a smart club arent we?

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harker
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:46 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
a top 3 pick is the best of the best

...well it should be anyway


2007: 3= Masten...8=Henderson
2006: 3=Hansen....8=Reid
2005: 3=Ellis.........8=Oakley Nicholls. :oops: Well, that doesn't really say much does it?

Numbers alone don't matter. The choice, the need and the development have the larger say.
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club29
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:17 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Melbourne the powerhouse was going to sign Rogers so we were lucky to have him slip to us and snatched him before Melbourne....

We need everyone to go.... everybody!!!

Ive mentioned the four/ five pillars of faith in some of the great religions

In footy terms the 4 pillars are President CEO coach and footy manager.. but there is also a fifth... recruiter.
You dont have all of these things right... there can be no salvation


Can the take the coach with them !


Give it a rest. Whether you like MM or not he was appointed last year and has coached this year with someone else's list.

I don't care whether its MM, Ratten, Roos or whoever. He has been appointed and deserves the opportunity as anyone else. Judge him after that.

Given he is the last appointed I would believe that others within the club deserve to have there positions within the club examined well before MM.

MM's first four years at Collingwood resulted in 7, 11, 15 & 17 wins.

It takes time and he knows how to build a top level side.


I know they wouldn't sack the coach. Was just wishful thinking on my behalf. :cry:
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Big Kahuna Boot
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:19 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
bluechucky wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
I'm no fan of Bootsma, I wish I could be but I'm not. I also wish we'd at least see what we could get for Gibbs (I'd say he's worth more than Yarren and I'm scared the latter will put it all together and actually prove better than what we get for him). However, I really think we need to give up something good to go forward. I also wish they didn't give Rowe a contract extension, pencilled in Casboult as a 'depth' tall and as well as realise that Henderson needs another buddy (no implication intended). Otherwise, grro is pretty much right.


Package Gibbs and Yarran for pick 1.


Plus keep our first pick and draft a midfielder. Get Thomas through free agency, have a go at Karnezis from Brisbane. That's the sort of thing I'd be doing.


..Yarran for Adams.. ..Adams hasn't re-signed and clubs are chasing him so he might be a chance to leave.. ..they have plenty of hard working good grunt mids, some outside dash and flair off HB, wing, HF is what they lack i reckon..

..also i don't really think Pick 1 is on the table, not unless you pay well overs..

..would keep Gibbs..

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The Rhino
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After today, I'm not convinced that GWS have pick 1 sewn up. Gold Coast look cooked.

Potential for Melbourne to get it after all.

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blueboy23
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If the dees get pick 1, reckon we there is a chance of us getting
Boyd....
Clark, Dawes, watts and hogan, enough talls there..
Maybe our first pick(8-10) plus yarran and Gibbs???
Would prefer dealing with dees as to GWS...
Again maybe dreaming, shifter Sheenan claims he is a gun.
If they keep him, reckon we will chase watts no doubt...
Interesting times ahead
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ryan2000
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blueboy23 wrote:
If the dees get pick 1, reckon we there is a chance of us getting
Boyd....
Clark, Dawes, watts and hogan, enough talls there..
Maybe our first pick(8-10) plus yarran and Gibbs???
Would prefer dealing with dees as to GWS...
Again maybe dreaming, shifter Sheenan claims he is a gun.
If they keep him, reckon we will chase watts no doubt...
Interesting times ahead


So our first pick PLUS Gibbs and Yazz?
Sorry.... that's way too much.

Gibbs isn't performing but I wouldn't be throwing him away. He's still a decent player and he's worth a lot more.

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The Rhino
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Mitchell, McCarthy, Davies, Duigan, Joseph, Ellard would be my certainties at this point to get the chop.

Then you've got for a variety of reasons Buckley, Lucas, Warnock, Robinson, Yarran, Laidler, Betts, Hampson and Scotland.

Unlikely maximum of 15 senior list changes. I reckon it'll be 9 (Betts to free agency, one of the rucks, Laidler).

Bell and Curnow have to be promoted, 7 spots remaining. Probably Watts makes 6.

Decent room for another player traded in/or two if they don't want to take the gamble on O'Keeffe, and then 4 picks in the draft (8, 22, 34 (Betts compo) and 40).

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Stone Free
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The Rhino wrote:
Mitchell, McCarthy, Davies, Duigan, Joseph, Ellard would be my certainties at this point to get the chop.

Then you've got for a variety of reasons Buckley, Lucas, Warnock, Robinson, Yarran, Laidler, Betts, Hampson and Scotland.

Unlikely maximum of 15 senior list changes. I reckon it'll be 9 (Betts to free agency, one of the rucks, Laidler).

Bell and Curnow have to be promoted, 7 spots remaining. Probably Watts makes 6.

Decent room for another player traded in/or two if they don't want to take the gamble on O'Keeffe, and then 4 picks in the draft (8, 22, 34 (Betts compo) and 40).


The only thing I disagree on is Ellard. I think he stays, otherwise the clean-out slated above won't be providing any surprises.
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Pafloyul
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The Rhino wrote:
Mitchell, McCarthy, Davies, Duigan, Joseph, Ellard would be my certainties at this point to get the chop.

Then you've got for a variety of reasons Buckley, Lucas, Warnock, Robinson, Yarran, Laidler, Betts, Hampson and Scotland.

Unlikely maximum of 15 senior list changes. I reckon it'll be 9 (Betts to free agency, one of the rucks, Laidler).

Bell and Curnow have to be promoted, 7 spots remaining. Probably Watts makes 6.

Decent room for another player traded in/or two if they don't want to take the gamble on O'Keeffe, and then 4 picks in the draft (8, 22, 34 (Betts compo) and 40).



I think we can stretch our pre-trade draft quota to our fourth rounder, even in a poor draft.

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The Rhino
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Which would be easy enough, with the option of delisting/re-rookieing Buckley.

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Pafloyul
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They are not reducing lists this year, are they? Anyway, I have eight 'definites' but one or two might survive due to practical limitations. What is the average number of players taken in a draft year? Is there a stigma about finishing on or near the bottom in that, too? As long as they are at least reasonably evenly spread through the order, I see no problem. If we trade into the draft, five or six kids and a Thorp sounds reasonable.

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Blue Sombrero
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The Rhino wrote:
Mitchell, McCarthy, Davies, Duigan, Joseph, Ellard would be my certainties at this point to get the chop.

Then you've got for a variety of reasons Buckley, Lucas, Warnock, Robinson, Yarran, Laidler, Betts, Hampson and Scotland.

Unlikely maximum of 15 senior list changes. I reckon it'll be 9 (Betts to free agency, one of the rucks, Laidler).

Bell and Curnow have to be promoted, 7 spots remaining. Probably Watts makes 6.

Decent room for another player traded in/or two if they don't want to take the gamble on O'Keeffe, and then 4 picks in the draft (8, 22, 34 (Betts compo) and 40).

Nicely thought out.
Not sure about Ellard but that doesn't matter. It's the process.

I think we will go hard for Daisy. He was a Yarran type in his own way when he started but he is a much more complete player now. I think O'Keefe is gone for all money.

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Blue Boys
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Mitchell, McCarthy, Davies, Duigan, Joseph, Ellard would be my certainties at this point to get the chop.

Then you've got for a variety of reasons Buckley, Lucas, Warnock, Robinson, Yarran, Laidler, Betts, Hampson and Scotland.

Unlikely maximum of 15 senior list changes. I reckon it'll be 9 (Betts to free agency, one of the rucks, Laidler).

Bell and Curnow have to be promoted, 7 spots remaining. Probably Watts makes 6.

Decent room for another player traded in/or two if they don't want to take the gamble on O'Keeffe, and then 4 picks in the draft (8, 22, 34 (Betts compo) and 40).

Nicely thought out.
Not sure about Ellard but that doesn't matter. It's the process.

I think we will go hard for Daisy. He was a Yarran type in his own way when he started but he is a much more complete player now. I think O'Keefe is gone for all money.


With Daisy's ongoing ankle injury his price may well have dropped. He's been out of the game for 12 months, who knows if he can get back to the same level that he was at 12 months ago and the potential effect his injury may have on his speed or agility.
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If betts leaves and we dont pick up an agent of our own, 3 picks inside 30 potentially.
I think these are a must, and any other deals we make must not compromise these picks.

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grrofunger wrote:
1 Andrew Walker - Keep
2 Troy Menzel - Keep
3 Marc Murphy - Keep
4 Bryce Gibbs - Keep
5 Chris Judd - Keep
6 Kade Simpson - Keep
7 Dylan Buckley - Keep
8 Matthew Kreuzer - Keep
9 Kane Lucas - Shop Around
10 Matthew Watson - Keep
11 Robert Warnock - Shop Around
12 Mitch Robinson - Shop Around
13 Chris Yarran - Shop Around
14 Brock McLean - Keep
15 Jeremy Laidler - Shop Around
16 Andrew Collins - Rookie?
17 Sam Rowe - Keep
18 Tom Temay - Keep
19 Eddie Betts - Leave
20 Rhys O'Keeffe - Rookie?
21 Joshua Bootsma - Keep
22 Shaun Hampson - Shop Around
23 Lachlan Henderson - Keep
24 Pat McCarthy - Delist
25 Luke Mitchell - Delist
26 Andrew McInnes Keep
27 Dennis Armfield Keep
28 Tom Bell - Keep
29 Heath Scotland - Retire
30 Jarrad Waite - Keep
31 Marcus Davies - Delist
32 Nicholas Graham - Keep
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34 Nick Duigan - Delist
35 Edward Curnow - Keep
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37 Jaryd Cachia - Keep
38 Jeff Garlett - Shop Around
39 Frazer Dale - Delist
40 Michael Jamison - Keep
41 Levi Casboult - Keep
42 Zach Tuohy - Keep
43 Simon White - Shop Around
44 Andrew Carrazzo - Keep
45 Aaron Joseph - Delist
46 David Ellard - Delist


Golly-gee I agree with the entire assessment perhaps the only iffy one would be Jeffy.
Even then if we got offered something good?????? I wouldn't be against it.
Glad you have listed McCarthy and Mitchell because many others don't get it that they have had their chances despite injuries.
Nearly all of our young players do not show form in the VFL. If you have "something" you will showcase it (even glimpses) at the lesser level even if you are inexperienced.
I can't wait until draft day! Just give me some hardness, a determination to win and some top shelf kicking skills.

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Moaty wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
1 Andrew Walker - Keep
2 Troy Menzel - Keep
3 Marc Murphy - Keep
4 Bryce Gibbs - Keep
5 Chris Judd - Keep
6 Kade Simpson - Keep
7 Dylan Buckley - Keep
8 Matthew Kreuzer - Keep
9 Kane Lucas - Shop Around
10 Matthew Watson - Keep
11 Robert Warnock - Shop Around
12 Mitch Robinson - Shop Around
13 Chris Yarran - Shop Around
14 Brock McLean - Keep
15 Jeremy Laidler - Shop Around
16 Andrew Collins - Rookie?
17 Sam Rowe - Keep
18 Tom Temay - Keep
19 Eddie Betts - Leave
20 Rhys O'Keeffe - Rookie?
21 Joshua Bootsma - Keep
22 Shaun Hampson - Shop Around
23 Lachlan Henderson - Keep
24 Pat McCarthy - Delist
25 Luke Mitchell - Delist
26 Andrew McInnes Keep
27 Dennis Armfield Keep
28 Tom Bell - Keep
29 Heath Scotland - Retire
30 Jarrad Waite - Keep
31 Marcus Davies - Delist
32 Nicholas Graham - Keep
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34 Nick Duigan - Delist
35 Edward Curnow - Keep
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37 Jaryd Cachia - Keep
38 Jeff Garlett - Shop Around
39 Frazer Dale - Delist
40 Michael Jamison - Keep
41 Levi Casboult - Keep
42 Zach Tuohy - Keep
43 Simon White - Shop Around
44 Andrew Carrazzo - Keep
45 Aaron Joseph - Delist
46 David Ellard - Delist


Golly-gee I agree with the entire assessment perhaps the only iffy one would be Jeffy.
Even then if we got offered something good?????? I wouldn't be against it.
Glad you have listed McCarthy and Mitchell because many others don't get it that they have had their chances despite injuries.
Nearly all of our young players do not show form in the VFL. If you have "something" you will showcase it (even glimpses) at the lesser level even if you are inexperienced.
I can't wait until draft day! Just give me some hardness, a determination to win and some top shelf kicking skills.


I'd add Gibbs to the shop around list. McCarthy I'd maybe rookie if possible, and O'Keeffe is either promoted or delisted, as apparently he's used up his time on the rookie list. I've always been a fan but after 5 years and more injuries than most guys get in a career it'll hardly be a shock if he gets the chop.
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I'd argue Curnow has a case for an upgrade to the senior list, Bell has a lesser claim but I would look at upgrading him as well depending on the number of slots on the list and what else is available in the tail end of the Draft. I would rather upgrade Bell than take a speccy pick at 70+, esp given he was apparently offered a senior spot by another club last year.

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