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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:19 pm 
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I agree not all out attack but putting 75% of the team behind the ball isnt the answer either.

All premiership teams have a strong back six, two wings that run strongly both ways and a defensive type mid blocking holes.

Need players for exit kicks and link up. I dont want to see a repeat of that god awful protectionist football.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:24 pm 
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Play like this again this week as Collingwood will say WTF are we doing at this end of the ground haven't been here all year - hang on theres the goals lets kick through them


To quote you, "You need to go watch that replay again"
That's what happened last time we played them with your favourite all attack/no defence game style. :grin:
The only game this year they've scored over 100 points.

For the record, of the last 40 flag winners, 38 have been ranked within the league’s top-6 from a defensive point of view.
But hey, let's do our own thing. It's worked so well to date.



Out of the last 40 flag winners how many were the best offensive side ?
While indeed only 2 premierships have been won without the services of a top 6 defence, 8 have been won without a top-six attack

So 32 of the last 40 premierships the team has been in the top 6 for attack

Splitting hairs arn't we

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:24 pm 
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So NM find a way to beat WC over there...

Not a snowflakes chance in hell we could do the same...in fact, WC would just flick the switch when they saw fit and beat us by...you guessed it...between 20-30 points

We are a basket case between the ears...and the coaches have been completely and utterly incompetent with activating our "winning mindset'

Enough with defending Teague...he's gotta go!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:03 pm 
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So we should sack Teague because North beat West Coast :?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:45 am 
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So we should sack Teague because North beat West Coast :?


Well, we did manage to lose to the eagles wafk team. Says a lot about mindset and desire

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:16 am 
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So we should sack Teague because North beat West Coast :?


Well, we did manage to lose to the eagles wafk team. Says a lot about mindset and desire


I suspect this is primarily a cultural issue. What is believed and what is done. So many times this year the opportunity has been there and not been grasped. My question is - What do they do all week at training? The issues we have are just not addressed effectively. Why play so many players that are not operating at the appropriate level? Our decision making is poor thereby putting pressure on the suspect skill set of so many players. From what we have seen so far this year, we would not be able to do what North Melbourne did last night. Our side is weak mentally. This is a coaching/leadership issue and just not good enough. Coaching and leadership should be based around setting expectations, planning to meet those expectations, targetted and specific practice and most of all accountability for all stakeholders. At this point, Carlton is not respected by the football industry.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:45 am 
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bender wrote:
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So we should sack Teague because North beat West Coast :?


Well, we did manage to lose to the eagles wafk team. Says a lot about mindset and desire

Teague been at Carlton For a 3 or 4 years and senior coach since June 2019 , and we still have no identifiable game plan

David noble has been at north under a year and they have a game plan that people can identify with

Beat wc , should of beaten gws

And we have a AA full back , AA midfielder , Coleman medialist and potential AA Ff

Who does north have ??
And let’s not forget what GC have done recently ...
The end is near for Teague and this current football dept ...

Change is required at the end of rd 23 immediately, there is enough evidence now, that shows Teague is out of his depth

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:17 am 
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PML at the idea that we have 2 locks and possibly a 3rd in this year's AA. You guys do realise we'll be lucky to get just Walsh on the AA bench, don't you? Nobody rates us.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:17 am 
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PML at the idea that we have 2 locks and possibly a 3rd in this year's AA. You guys do realise we'll be lucky to get just Walsh on the AA bench, don't you? Nobody rates us.

Unfortunately we are used to now , not being rated !!

But Walsh will probably win the Brownlow also cause no one takes votes off him

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:08 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
bender wrote:
CK95 wrote:
So we should sack Teague because North beat West Coast :?


Well, we did manage to lose to the eagles wafk team. Says a lot about mindset and desire

Teague been at Carlton For a 3 or 4 years and senior coach since June 2019 , and we still have no identifiable game plan

David noble has been at north under a year and they have a game plan that people can identify with

Beat wc , should of beaten gws

And we have a AA full back , AA midfielder , Coleman medialist and potential AA Ff

Who does north have ??
And let’s not forget what GC have done recently ...
The end is near for Teague and this current football dept ...

Change is required at the end of rd 23 immediately, there is enough evidence now, that shows Teague is out of his depth


Spot on mate, spot on.

I am so over the shit that this club continually dishes up.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:36 pm 
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for me it starts with the u12 game plan long bomb into f50 and in defence players just bomb it out goes straight to opposition and back it comes ,been happening for years. 2 players arent fit enough to run back and help defenders and run the ball out and then choose best option. Teague is responsible for game plan and mr hawthorn (russell) needs to address this .


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:43 pm 
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I know that we've got massive issues (that are hopefully being addressed in the review).

But I just think supporters & the media constantly shift their narrative on a weekly basis, according to wins. North beats West Coast & all of a sudden they've got their shit together & we could learn so much from the Kangaroos.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:20 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I know that we've got massive issues (that are hopefully being addressed in the review).

But I just think supporters & the media constantly shift their narrative on a weekly basis, according to wins. North beats West Coast & all of a sudden they've got their shit together & we could learn so much from the Kangaroos.


What do you propose as an alternative CK95?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:45 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I know that we've got massive issues (that are hopefully being addressed in the review).

But I just think supporters & the media constantly shift their narrative on a weekly basis, according to wins. North beats West Coast & all of a sudden they've got their shit together & we could learn so much from the Kangaroos.


What do you propose as an alternative CK95?


Hard work is the only answer.

I don't see anyone at the club at the moment being inflexible and has a destabilizing effect other than fairweather supporters.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:42 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I know that we've got massive issues (that are hopefully being addressed in the review).

But I just think supporters & the media constantly shift their narrative on a weekly basis, according to wins. North beats West Coast & all of a sudden they've got their shit together & we could learn so much from the Kangaroos.


Yeah you're right...we can...good call :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:06 pm 
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Freo in the 8 now, so we have 2 wins against final 8 sides, stop your complaining people!


We should never have beaten Freo. We were simply lucky to have the other mob fail to kick straight for a change.


By that same logic we should of beaten Geelong, just goal kicking?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:09 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I know that we've got massive issues (that are hopefully being addressed in the review).

But I just think supporters & the media constantly shift their narrative on a weekly basis, according to wins. North beats West Coast & all of a sudden they've got their shit together & we could learn so much from the Kangaroos.


What do you propose as an alternative CK95?



As supporters? I propose trying to be balanced in our response to wins & losses. Maybe by taking a leaf out of Brendan Bolton's book; not getting too high with the wins & not getting too low with the losses.

For example the Geelong game just gone, seriously there were people on here absolutely spewing at that loss, whereas I thought we had a real dip, but just couldn't kick well (at goal & in play).

We all see it differently I guess.

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That mentality is fine when you’re a team that has had some level of success over the past 10 years. But Carlton....I’ve had enough of mediocrity. I expect more.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:20 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I know that we've got massive issues (that are hopefully being addressed in the review).

But I just think supporters & the media constantly shift their narrative on a weekly basis, according to wins. North beats West Coast & all of a sudden they've got their shit together & we could learn so much from the Kangaroos.


What do you propose as an alternative CK95?



As supporters? I propose trying to be balanced in our response to wins & losses. Maybe by taking a leaf out of Brendan Bolton's book; not getting too high with the wins & not getting too low with the losses.

For example the Geelong game just gone, seriously there were people on here absolutely spewing at that loss, whereas I thought we had a real dip, but just couldn't kick well (at goal & in play).

We all see it differently I guess.


People are just angry about past matches and wanted something out of the ordinary to happen to make up for it.

I thought we gave ourselves every chance with the game style we were playing on Saturday,

We were more defensive and had numbers behind the ball but that was by necessity of having only 2 KPPs and a skinny 15 game ruck as talls. It was an outlier compared to have we’ve been playing in recent weeks.


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CK95 wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I know that we've got massive issues (that are hopefully being addressed in the review).

But I just think supporters & the media constantly shift their narrative on a weekly basis, according to wins. North beats West Coast & all of a sudden they've got their shit together & we could learn so much from the Kangaroos.


What do you propose as an alternative CK95?



As supporters? I propose trying to be balanced in our response to wins & losses. Maybe by taking a leaf out of Brendan Bolton's book; not getting too high with the wins & not getting too low with the losses.

For example the Geelong game just gone, seriously there were people on here absolutely spewing at that loss, whereas I thought we had a real dip, but just couldn't kick well (at goal & in play).

We all see it differently I guess.
Yeah I think the best way is to just eat your own shit and get over it.

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