say that again.....

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I thought same about PAgan.

Good point

This is one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

No Arizona preseason camp this year for Mick and the boys

Alastair Clarkson is available in 2016, we should do what freo did with Ross Lyon and go for Clarko after Mick's contract is finished!

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"I can't wait to win a premiership with this club" - Fev

What! ... you can't wait for the 10 year Madhouse plan.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

You're missing Madhouse in your sig BBC!

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dane's trolling again

Malthouse was brought in for one reason, and one reason only - immediate success*

This worked well for both parties at the time:
- The team had gone as far as it could go under Ratten, but (at least at the time) the club thought the list was good enough to strike with a "proven" game plan under a coach who had won a recent flag.
- Mick wanted to prove Ed!&% wrong, and hit his own personal milestone.

One can see why this *may* have been a fruitful collaboration, but it has clearly fallen well short of the desired outcome. There is little argument now that our list needs a rebuild and, while there are those that will argue that Mick is good at that, his record suggests that this would take longer than his remaining lifespan as a coach. That's also assuming his methods and game plan remain effective and that he even wants that job to begin with. I've had my doubts on this for several months now, then after his press conference where he mentioned his grandkids don't go to the football anymore (because they don't like seeing their grandfather boo'ed) these doubts were solidified.

Carlton's mandate has changed. The aim now is to build towards sustained competitiveness and *ongoing proximity* to premiership success (a la Hawthorn, Geelong...). With this, the Head Coach's job description has changed too.

For mine, we need to appoint our next senior coach at *this* season's end, and have them work under Malthouse - closely involved with all aspects; recruitment/list management, development, game plan. He seemed happy to do this at C@#$!ngwood, but ultimately got screwed by Ed!&% who blew his load too early. I think, if he hasn't already, MlG needs to have a frank discussion with Malthouse to get him to "buy in" (which I think Malthouse will be relieved to do, frankly) then come out and tell the supporters at large in plain English that that this is the plan. To date, all we have gotten from our new President is a "wait and see" attitude towards the senior coach and I fear this means CFC remains reactionary instead of pro-active.

*Copyright, CFC, 1864 - 2014. See also "Messiah Complex".

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Agree.

All good teams need A-grade up-and-coming senior coaches, whether they become the next senior coach or not.



Is Laidley that person?
Is Osborne or Brad Green that person?

I personally suspect not ... but a clear decision needs to be made either way.

Excellent post but I am not sure how much scrutiny Mick's mentoring skills stand up to vis a vis other coaches - We don't want a Neeld or a Watters. I don't think his ego would allow him to be part of succession planning. He likes subordinates to be very subordinate and coaches with genuine potential (as opposed to duds like Watters and Neeld) Mick sees as a threat and removes or badmouths. (Bucks, Richardson). So great post but at the end of next season Mick goes. He has had a long and reasonably successful career but as a bloke he is certainly no David Parkin who initiated succession planning with Britts which may have been successful if Britts hadn't been sacrificed for Elliott's desperate attempts to hang on to power.

You may very well be right, but it all revolves around the premise that we are going into a rebuild phase. There are many that dispute that, preferring to allow micks proven development skills to trickle down through the list.
So far he has positively developed the following

Murphy..was struggling with tags and now is able to get free
Gibbs
Yarran
Rowe
Casboult
White
Robinson
Menzel
Buckley
Curnow
Docherty
Everitt
Henderson
Johnston

Remaining to be seen
Garlett
Waite
Walker
Touhy
Youngsters eg cripps etc

Steady as she goes
Thomas
Simpson
Jamieson

Add back Kreuzer, judd, and we have a solid list that should challenge the top 8, not top 4 but certainly not bottom 4 either.
We need to have some luck and patience

I'm hoping Malthouse can see the writing on the wall, and is willing to take steps to bow out of the game (somewhat) gracefully. With the course he has charted currently, and given his recent flare-ups, there will be nothing graceful about his end.

This may just be the out he's looking for, if it's presented to him correctly and with full weight of the President and Board. I do recall him saying at another press conference (about his aggro towards the media) something along the lines of "Well if people are saying it I have to take a look at it. If it's not good for Carlton it's not good". He needs to know that proper succession planning *is* for the good of Carlton, and more than that, is just about key to Carlton's survi..... [del] [del] [del] [del] [del] revival.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Not a bad idea!

I have a question for the MM must go team if anyone's interested in answering : have you felt this way right from the start or ...?

Personally I'm far happier with the appointment now than I was when it was first announced.

how can you be happier now?

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Between our dreams and actions lies this world

I thought that the original expectation of MM coming in and magically producing a premiership overnight, (in a football sense), was ridiculous. I thought sacking Ratten at the time was unfair and he should've got to serve out his contract. I also don't care much for the way MM conducts himself in media. He's someone I've enjoyed criticising for a long time.

That was then.

We've got passed all that initial fantasy and now I'm starting to see change that I like. I can see a change in how we're playing as a team and how certain individuals are playing. Slowly but surely we're becoming less "frilly" and more business like. Flashy players are either being dropped or are starting to become more accountable.

Will this lead to a flag? Who knows, but it's an approach that MM has used well at other clubs and I'm interested to see how things unfold here. If all goes well then next season we'll start to take a few top four scalps.

Hated the appointment from the moment it was annouced
Gone exactly how I expected it too

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

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The arguement that Mick is a failed coach because he hasn't produced a premiership in 30 games ignores the fact that the regime before him left us with no development and a bad list. Kernahan might have said MM can win a premiership within his first contract. Where did MM say that? I remember him saying there were no limits. The MM hasn't won us a premiership line, is such a flimsy, shallow arguement against his coaching ability and the development of the players he has ie Gibbs attack on the ball, Rowe, White, Buckley, Menzel, Johnson, Wood, Everett. Casboult, Walker(last year). Afterall are Roos or Hinkley bad coaches because they have not won a premiership? I don't think MM can win won within 5 years with the players at his disposal plus the development required of new players but I am sure he will leave us in a position to challenge for top 4.

AFL struggles in Sydney and western suburbs in Melbourne but it's going to take western suburbs Sydney by storm.
As long as they keep winning with sustainability.
Ok Syd.
Lol

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