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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:10 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
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Who was Jeffy Garlett rejected by?

Gold Coast I think


Wrong

Drove all the way over from WA and slept in his car, hoping to get seen in a lower league

was at Swans Districts.

Now you're looking for targets...he was great value.

Nothing to do with GCS. Garlett came to Carlton a coupla years before GCS played a game. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm



Or is he talking about Jarrod Garlett?


Oops. How could I forget the hair.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:15 pm 
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keogh wrote:
CK95 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Who was Jeffy Garlett rejected by?

Gold Coast I think


Wrong

Drove all the way over from WA and slept in his car, hoping to get seen in a lower league

was at Swans Districts.

Now you're looking for targets...he was great value.

Nothing to do with GCS. Garlett came to Carlton a coupla years before GCS played a game. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm



Or is he talking about Jarrod Garlett?

That’s him
Played for GC then went back to the WAFL
Played for South Freo
Of course forgot to mention in the list above
Tim Kelly came directly from South Fremantle to Geelong for pick 24
There’s another one


Tom Kelly was on SOS' radar. He was killing it in the WAFL.
We didnt have a pick in the 20's. Lucky Geelong ...he only stayed for 2 years. Was always going back home.
SOS did have his eyes on TDK at pick 30

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:20 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
All STAR AFL REJECTS CARLTON STYLE 2015-2025

B Mullett Young Plowman
HB O’ Shea Goddard McDonald
C Williams Palmer Garlett
HF Francis-Evans McGovern Shaw
F Fantasia Gorringe Fasolo
R Lobbe Martin Lang
IC Kerridge Lamb Phillips Lamb
Sub Haynes
Emg Sumner Pickett Alex Silvangi
Coach Mick Malthouse


Dedicated to Nathan Cooper who is somewhere up the Murray and all the other superior footballers who for whatever reason are overlooked by lazy blinkered dumb recruiters and list management teams


Keogh, for the record how many of those players did you see play more than a single game live, prior to them being recruited?
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Regards Cazzesman

C’mon Cazzeman
Seriously they were shit footballers
That’s why they weren’t with their initial AFL club
Meanwhile the lower leagues were ignored
The list of players from lower leagues incudes one Carlton AFL
Adam Saad
Doesn’t that tell ya that’s one of the reasons are depth has been shit for years
Even when the evidence is in front of you you still want to debate
By the way I reckon we might win tonight but it’s just filling the cracks in a temporary fashion


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:11 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
All STAR AFL REJECTS CARLTON STYLE 2015-2025

B Mullett Young Plowman
HB O’ Shea Goddard McDonald
C Williams Palmer Garlett
HF Francis-Evans McGovern Shaw
F Fantasia Gorringe Fasolo
R Lobbe Martin Lang
IC Kerridge Lamb Phillips Lamb
Sub Haynes
Emg Sumner Pickett Alex Silvangi
Coach Mick Malthouse


Dedicated to Nathan Cooper who is somewhere up the Murray and all the other superior footballers who for whatever reason are overlooked by lazy blinkered dumb recruiters and list management teams


Keogh, for the record how many of those players did you see play more than a single game live, prior to them being recruited?
B
Regards Cazzesman

C’mon Cazzeman
Seriously they were shit footballers
That’s why they weren’t with their initial AFL club
Meanwhile the lower leagues were ignored
The list of players from lower leagues incudes one Carlton AFL
Adam Saad
Doesn’t that tell ya that’s one of the reasons are depth has been shit for years
Even when the evidence is in front of you you still want to debate
By the way I reckon we might win tonight but it’s just filling the cracks in a temporary fashion


My point is that your evidence is based on hindsight, which is always 100% accurate.

If you haven't seen any of them play in the 2 years leading up to the draft, how can you tell us what the Recruiters in the AFL were actually seeing. How would you know they were 'Shite' if you never saw them.

I'm not saying that some of those on your list didn't underperform once they got into the system. Of course they did. But the recruiters can only draw from the bucket they are looking at.

I will agree some of the older one's we picked up are very dubious but out of all the names you have listed there is a multitude of reasons as to why they were chosen. Yes I agree a few were just wrong picks, but without knowing the full story, you are just throwing a blanket over the lot and using the same argument for them all.

I have told the story before but......Wayne Hughes went to the NFL combine one year. He was saying on his return that the NFL recruiters couldn't believe we picked out kids at 17 and 18. They said they pick theirs at 24-25 and still get it wrong. The NFL recruiters said, how can you possibly judge how a kid will change physically and mentally between the ages of 17-23?

Money, Alcohol, Drugs, Women, Adulation, Fawning, Pressure, Injury etc etc.

Of all the 2nd tier players (WAFL,SANF, VFL ect) you have named over the past 5 years, tell which ones are now 1st 22 players and how many never got picked by any AFL club. And if you have gone well then send the list to CFC and put your name up for a non to low paying job.

Regards Cazzesman

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:14 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
All STAR AFL REJECTS CARLTON STYLE 2015-2025

B Mullett Young Plowman
HB O’ Shea Goddard McDonald
C Williams Palmer Garlett
HF Francis-Evans McGovern Shaw
F Fantasia Gorringe Fasolo
R Lobbe Martin Lang
IC Kerridge Lamb Phillips Lamb
Sub Haynes
Emg Sumner Pickett Alex Silvangi
Coach Mick Malthouse


Dedicated to Nathan Cooper who is somewhere up the Murray and all the other superior footballers who for whatever reason are overlooked by lazy blinkered dumb recruiters and list management teams


Keogh, for the record how many of those players did you see play more than a single game live, prior to them being recruited?
B
Regards Cazzesman

C’mon Cazzeman
Seriously they were shit footballers
That’s why they weren’t with their initial AFL club
Meanwhile the lower leagues were ignored
The list of players from lower leagues incudes one Carlton AFL
Adam Saad
Doesn’t that tell ya that’s one of the reasons are depth has been shit for years
Even when the evidence is in front of you you still want to debate
By the way I reckon we might win tonight but it’s just filling the cracks in a temporary fashion



Boyd was recruited from Footscray VFL.
Lord was recruited from North Melbourne VFL.
White was recruited from Carlton VFL.
Saad from Coburg VFL (originally).
Cincotta from Carlton VFL.
Newman from Frankston VFL (originally).

I understand the point you're trying to make, but it's not as if we don't have former 'overlooked' footballers on the list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:58 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
keogh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
All STAR AFL REJECTS CARLTON STYLE 2015-2025

B Mullett Young Plowman
HB O’ Shea Goddard McDonald
C Williams Palmer Garlett
HF Francis-Evans McGovern Shaw
F Fantasia Gorringe Fasolo
R Lobbe Martin Lang
IC Kerridge Lamb Phillips Lamb
Sub Haynes
Emg Sumner Pickett Alex Silvangi
Coach Mick Malthouse


Dedicated to Nathan Cooper who is somewhere up the Murray and all the other superior footballers who for whatever reason are overlooked by lazy blinkered dumb recruiters and list management teams


Keogh, for the record how many of those players did you see play more than a single game live, prior to them being recruited?
B
Regards Cazzesman

C’mon Cazzeman
Seriously they were shit footballers
That’s why they weren’t with their initial AFL club
Meanwhile the lower leagues were ignored
The list of players from lower leagues incudes one Carlton AFL
Adam Saad
Doesn’t that tell ya that’s one of the reasons are depth has been shit for years
Even when the evidence is in front of you you still want to debate
By the way I reckon we might win tonight but it’s just filling the cracks in a temporary fashion



Boyd was recruited from Footscray VFL.
Lord was recruited from North Melbourne VFL.
White was recruited from Carlton VFL.
Saad from Coburg VFL (originally).
Cincotta from Carlton VFL.
Newman from Frankston VFL (originally).

I understand the point you're trying to make, but it's not as if we don't have former 'overlooked' footballers on the list.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Boyd was recruited from Footscray VFL.
Saad from Coburg VFL (originally).
Cincotta from Carlton VFL.
Newman from Frankston VFL (originally).

These 4 go alright

Lord was recruited from North Melbourne VFL.

Has shown promise. Just turned 20.

White was recruited from Carlton VFL.

Who knows

Regards Cazzesman

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 3:37 pm 
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has anyone Question Nick Austin poor list management Decisions ,side has been slow for years and players like haynes,evans,E hollands lord are not quick more on slow side unfortunately.sell the farm for 1 player and NO first and second rnd pick for next year draft. Heat should be on this bloke.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:42 pm 
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jpulice1969 wrote:
has anyone Question Nick Austin poor list management Decisions ,side has been slow for years and players like haynes,evans,E hollands lord are not quick more on slow side unfortunately.sell the farm for 1 player and NO first and second rnd pick for next year draft. Heat should be on this bloke.


Smith and the 2 Campos get along okay.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 5:14 pm 
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Money, Alcohol, Drugs, Women, Adulation, Fawning, Pressure, Injury etc etc.



My new tinder bio right there


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 5:16 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Money, Alcohol, Drugs, Women, Adulation, Fawning, Pressure, Injury etc etc.



My new tinder bio right there


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Is that in the “Looking for” section?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:03 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
keogh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
All STAR AFL REJECTS CARLTON STYLE 2015-2025

B Mullett Young Plowman
HB O’ Shea Goddard McDonald
C Williams Palmer Garlett
HF Francis-Evans McGovern Shaw
F Fantasia Gorringe Fasolo
R Lobbe Martin Lang
IC Kerridge Lamb Phillips Lamb
Sub Haynes
Emg Sumner Pickett Alex Silvangi
Coach Mick Malthouse


Dedicated to Nathan Cooper who is somewhere up the Murray and all the other superior footballers who for whatever reason are overlooked by lazy blinkered dumb recruiters and list management teams


Keogh, for the record how many of those players did you see play more than a single game live, prior to them being recruited?
B
Regards Cazzesman

C’mon Cazzeman
Seriously they were shit footballers
That’s why they weren’t with their initial AFL club
Meanwhile the lower leagues were ignored
The list of players from lower leagues incudes one Carlton AFL
Adam Saad
Doesn’t that tell ya that’s one of the reasons are depth has been shit for years
Even when the evidence is in front of you you still want to debate
By the way I reckon we might win tonight but it’s just filling the cracks in a temporary fashion



Boyd was recruited from Footscray VFL.
Lord was recruited from North Melbourne VFL.
White was recruited from Carlton VFL.
Saad from Coburg VFL (originally).
Cincotta from Carlton VFL.
Newman from Frankston VFL (originally).

I understand the point you're trying to make, but it's not as if we don't have former 'overlooked' footballers on the list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:51 pm 
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Doc, McGovern and acres must go now.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:57 pm 
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Club needs to come out this week and say.
Crippa, Hewett, Curnow, Weitering, JSOS and 2024 draftees are all safe.
All the rest are up for trade, delist or sacked at the end of the year.
And it's up to them if they want a list spot in 2026.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:01 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
All STAR AFL REJECTS CARLTON STYLE 2015-2025

B Mullett Young Plowman
HB O’ Shea Goddard McDonald
C Williams Palmer Garlett
HF Francis-Evans McGovern Shaw
F Fantasia Gorringe Fasolo
R Lobbe Martin Lang
IC Kerridge Lamb Phillips Lamb
Sub Haynes
Emg Sumner Pickett Alex Silvangi
Coach Mick Malthouse


Dedicated to Nathan Cooper who is somewhere up the Murray and all the other superior footballers who for whatever reason are overlooked by lazy blinkered dumb recruiters and list management teams


Keogh, for the record how many of those players did you see play more than a single game live, prior to them being recruited?
B
Regards Cazzesman

C’mon Cazzeman
Seriously they were shit footballers
That’s why they weren’t with their initial AFL club
Meanwhile the lower leagues were ignored
The list of players from lower leagues incudes one Carlton AFL
Adam Saad
Doesn’t that tell ya that’s one of the reasons are depth has been shit for years
Even when the evidence is in front of you you still want to debate
By the way I reckon we might win tonight but it’s just filling the cracks in a temporary fashion


My point is that your evidence is based on hindsight, which is always 100% accurate.

If you haven't seen any of them play in the 2 years leading up to the draft, how can you tell us what the Recruiters in the AFL were actually seeing. How would you know they were 'Shite' if you never saw them.

I'm not saying that some of those on your list didn't underperform once they got into the system. Of course they did. But the recruiters can only draw from the bucket they are looking at.

I will agree some of the older one's we picked up are very dubious but out of all the names you have listed there is a multitude of reasons as to why they were chosen. Yes I agree a few were just wrong picks, but without knowing the full story, you are just throwing a blanket over the lot and using the same argument for them all.

I have told the story before but......Wayne Hughes went to the NFL combine one year. He was saying on his return that the NFL recruiters couldn't believe we picked out kids at 17 and 18. They said they pick theirs at 24-25 and still get it wrong. The NFL recruiters said, how can you possibly judge how a kid will change physically and mentally between the ages of 17-23?

Money, Alcohol, Drugs, Women, Adulation, Fawning, Pressure, Injury etc etc.

Of all the 2nd tier players (WAFL,SANF, VFL ect) you have named over the past 5 years, tell which ones are now 1st 22 players and how many never got picked by any AFL club. And if you have gone well then send the list to CFC and put your name up for a non to low paying job.

Regards Cazzesman


Nick Haynes agrees with you


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:14 pm 
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I believe Austin is part of the problem has absolutely stuffed up every draft since he has been here


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:18 pm 
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Lachie Schultz
Wasn’t he recruited from Williamstown


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:25 pm 
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Start of the clean out get rid of Austin. Absolute fraud


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:31 pm 
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FWIW, there was a rumour posted on BF that Austin was going to "resign" in coming weeks.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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missnaut wrote:
FWIW, there was a rumour posted on BF that Austin was going to "resign" in coming weeks.

This week will be great, thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:44 pm 
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We are Screwed beyond belief.......


So this Season is Gone already... We are expected to finish bottom 6.... GREAT, something to build on for the future, some decent picks.... BUT Guess What??????


Our Genius Austin has given away most of our 1st & 2nd round Picks to other Clubs for the next 2-3 years in exchange for NOTHING......


Can you believe this? We got no picks, no Future and the same old Crap.......Deep Hole that will extend for the next 5 years!!


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