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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:47 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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The loss against Port Adelaide by 14 points was a tale of 2 halves.
We showed what we can do in the first half.
The 5 day break may have been a reason for our fade out, along perhaps with some baffling positional moves.
We shouldn't get caught up in it.

We've seen what we can do, and we've had 5 wins in a row. That's our reality.
We pick our list based on the best of what we've got.
We can still end up 2nd on the ladder.

Looking for some gaps for the now (a CHB), and in the near (speed) and long future (list transition).
IMO its not outlandish to suggest our first round pick may end up between pick 18-22.


after watching this round of footy, we are a fair bit behind some other teams here.

based on the right now, the pies will be a huge obstacle, and the hawks look to be an insurmountable one - they have all the ingredients to be our kryptonite; fast, spread, ferocious attack on the ball and go back to front and on goal in seconds

and we're not even talking in the league of dogs and gws and the ways they expose us.


So true.

You can only base today's form on today's results.

Along with form, things change on a week to week basis. Nothing stays the same. Form is a fickle thing.

Desire, ruthlessness and support from hard running will help us find our mojo...if we do. I think we will by Finals.

You will hear the sound "click" when it does turn around. Lets hope it starts this week.



if we're not turning up this saturday night with a see ball, get ball mindset that was voss's calling card in '22-23 when we were fun to watch. i'd go as far to say as the season is not over, but it's on life support.


nice to see you two getting along!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:53 pm 
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yeah bondi has his moments :lol:

nah, he's alright.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:29 pm 
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SOS last draft in 2019 was a bad one with port taken Georgiades then Geelong taken Sam de koning both pick came straight after kemp


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:09 am 
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Keithy wrote:
SOS last draft in 2019 was a bad one with port taken Georgiades then Geelong taken Sam de koning both pick came straight after kemp

Or trading pick 11 (Sam Flanders) for Kemp and Philp.
Could've had Will Day also.
But it's easy to look back at every draft and find better players.
The issue is the system, it needs to mature and be more like the NFL with kids getting drafted in their 20s from a national 2nds comp to make an immediate impact for their clubs.
It's to hit and miss the way it is and it will probably get worse as kids are maturing later, both physically and mentally.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:45 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Keithy wrote:
SOS last draft in 2019 was a bad one with port taken Georgiades then Geelong taken Sam de koning both pick came straight after kemp

Or trading pick 11 (Sam Flanders) for Kemp and Philp.
Could've had Will Day also.
But it's easy to look back at every draft and find better players.
The issue is the system, it needs to mature and be more like the NFL with kids getting drafted in their 20s from a national 2nds comp to make an immediate impact for their clubs.
It's to hit and miss the way it is and it will probably get worse as kids are maturing later, both physically and mentally.

Missing out in 2019 is more costly given the lockdown affected years that followed. But, in fairness to SOS, we weren’t in the market for top end talls in 2019.

Walsh, Stocker, Kemp, Philp… Newman, Setterfield, Newnes, Martin… Gibbons, Deluca. He’s at least tried to address the midfield.

It’s bipolar recruiting. Turning one pick into three was good dealing, but Stocker, Kemp & Philp is poor drafting. Kemp can play footy, but he was destined to be repurposed from day one.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Keithy wrote:
SOS last draft in 2019 was a bad one with port taken Georgiades then Geelong taken Sam de koning both pick came straight after kemp


I remember posters not wanting us to draft SdK because it was nepotism. :banghead:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Keithy wrote:
SOS last draft in 2019 was a bad one with port taken Georgiades then Geelong taken Sam de koning both pick came straight after kemp


I remember posters not wanting us to draft SdK because it was nepotism. :banghead:



lol

i'm unsure why the club didn't want a big, mobile defender like sam. at that point marchbank couldn't get on the park, and kemp was always a bit of a tweener.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:41 am 
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Braithy wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
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SOS last draft in 2019 was a bad one with port taken Georgiades then Geelong taken Sam de koning both pick came straight after kemp


I remember posters not wanting us to draft SdK because it was nepotism. :banghead:



lol

i'm unsure why the club didn't want a big, mobile defender like sam. at that point marchbank couldn't get on the park, and kemp was always a bit of a tweener.

The main one at the time most supporters were thinking we missed was Dev Robertson who was available when we took Philp

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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I'd like to see Kemp tried forward again. As someone mentioned yesterday he loves to crash packs and fly for marks (suits our forward entries). Replace him in defence with a lockdown defender (Young or upgrade).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Keithy wrote:
SOS last draft in 2019 was a bad one with port taken Georgiades then Geelong taken Sam de koning both pick came straight after kemp

Or trading pick 11 (Sam Flanders) for Kemp and Philp.
Could've had Will Day also.
But it's easy to look back at every draft and find better players.
The issue is the system, it needs to mature and be more like the NFL with kids getting drafted in their 20s from a national 2nds comp to make an immediate impact for their clubs.
It's to hit and miss the way it is and it will probably get worse as kids are maturing later, both physically and mentally.

Missing out in 2019 is more costly given the lockdown affected years that followed. But, in fairness to SOS, we weren’t in the market for top end talls in 2019.

Walsh, Stocker, Kemp, Philp… Newman, Setterfield, Newnes, Martin… Gibbons, Deluca. He’s at least tried to address the midfield.

It’s bipolar recruiting. Turning one pick into three was good dealing, but Stocker, Kemp & Philp is poor drafting. Kemp can play footy, but he was destined to be repurposed from day one.

Yep.
That's the thing I liked with SOS, at least he tried to better our hand every draft, something most were happy with at the time.
If we had a better system like I've suggested they could've all been guns (or 2/3 at least).


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:29 am 
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jezzarules wrote:
I'd like to see Kemp tried forward again. As someone mentioned yesterday he loves to crash packs and fly for marks (suits our forward entries). Replace him in defence with a lockdown defender (Young or upgrade).

Or if we get another KPD we could try him in the middle (I think he was tried in the VFL, can't remember how that went).
Not sure what his endurance is like though and he might need some more kgs in the off season.

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The word on Kemp coming into the season was that he was destined for more midfield minutes after finding a home as a high-marking intercept defender in 2018, but he would end up having an impact just about everywhere. He adapted his kick-dominant game to become a handball-happy midfield extractor, was solid in his usual defensive post for Vic Country, and eventually a game winner for them up forward. Kemp’s success up forward lends to his key strengths of impact and overhead marking. He showed his worth with a huge contested mark in the dying seconds against South Australia to snare the winning goal, while doing the same twice in the last quarter against Western Australia to almost drag his side over the line. All were really game defining moments, and while Kemp does not win crazy amounts of the ball, he has important touches. Add to that a sub-three second 20m sprint and phenomenal agility and you have a prospect that can pull off just about anything. A good size to boot, Kemp would be a top 10 lock if not for his recent injury.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:40 am 
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kemp needs confidence and belief and he can be good.

someone at the club has to pull him aside and get in his ear and kickstart that belief, imo.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:42 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
I'd like to see Kemp tried forward again. As someone mentioned yesterday he loves to crash packs and fly for marks (suits our forward entries). Replace him in defence with a lockdown defender (Young or upgrade).

Or if we get another KPD we could try him in the middle (I think he was tried in the VFL, can't remember how that went).
Not sure what his endurance is like though and he might need some more kgs in the off season.

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The word on Kemp coming into the season was that he was destined for more midfield minutes after finding a home as a high-marking intercept defender in 2018, but he would end up having an impact just about everywhere. He adapted his kick-dominant game to become a handball-happy midfield extractor, was solid in his usual defensive post for Vic Country, and eventually a game winner for them up forward. Kemp’s success up forward lends to his key strengths of impact and overhead marking. He showed his worth with a huge contested mark in the dying seconds against South Australia to snare the winning goal, while doing the same twice in the last quarter against Western Australia to almost drag his side over the line. All were really game defining moments, and while Kemp does not win crazy amounts of the ball, he has important touches. Add to that a sub-three second 20m sprint and phenomenal agility and you have a prospect that can pull off just about anything. A good size to boot, Kemp would be a top 10 lock if not for his recent injury.



Kemp was a big boy in the U18's. Good mark. Good intercept. Took the big mark and goal when drifting forward as a mid. He's a big bodied mid and stated when selected he based his game on Cripps despite playing back and forward at times.

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Kemp did well in his cameo as a mid in the VFL. He started back, then when we didnt have anyone forward he went there to give us an option/ hope of scoring, which he did (one goal). He also went in the middle and through his body around and looked good as a mid. He's a utility. I can't recall Kemp being tried in the middle in the AFL.

FYI his endurance is pretty good based on the kms he has covered playing HB. He's cracked the 15kms mark in a game in the last 6 weeks, and covers 12-13 km when he's given the attacking role from HB.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:45 am 
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Braithy wrote:
kemp needs confidence and belief and he can be good.

someone at the club has to pull him aside and get in his ear and kickstart that belief, imo.



Its hard for that to work if he's then asked to play KPD on a taller opponent.
He's been dealt a bad card IMO since we lost Jones, AND young didn't continue the form he showed in 2022 and early 2023

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:20 pm 
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Cal Twomey in his episode of Gettable says he expects the Draft Value index and bidding system changes to not come in this year and will be held off to 2025. Carlton and other clubs pushed strongly for this.
He went through players who he thinks are gettable and mentions some Carlton players.
Binns may look for more opportunities elsewhere, especially now that we will be bringing in the Campo twins.
Carroll linked to WA clubs.
Martin expected to leave and Freo and option.
Owies still has not been offered a contract and lots of clubs interested.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:22 pm 
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Is that Jack Carroll? We can't afford to let a young contested mid go, surely?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:27 pm 
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Is that Jack Carroll? We can't afford to let a young contested mid go, surely?

Yes, Jack Carroll.
There has been a bit of talk of him leaving for a little while now.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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If Martin goes on to play 22 games for Freo next year I will EAT MY OWN SHIT

Yeah, no fears there.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:12 pm 
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sos hey did he fail big time all those Gws players they did nt want and then Dow ,O'Brien, sps ,stocker. Yes walsh and weitering i could choose them but he did well in Curnow and tdk . Now Austin choose E.hollands yes his a good kick but to slow for me.


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