Theyre deflecting all the opportunity for hard questions to a "Members Forum" which won't be pat of the AGM and therefore won't be documented in the minutes of the AGM.

And I'm guessing they hope that trotting out the Coach, SOS, Jack and all the new players that the audience will go into "undie throwing mode" rather than "torches and pitchforks" mode.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Sounds as riveting as usual...

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Bore everyone with presentations so they are to tired and jaded to ask questions.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Live video stream discontinued... questions from the floor discarded from the agm.

Member engagement the Carlton way.

So far no opportunity for questions and we're 40 minutes in

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

So far giving the microphone to people making statements rather than asking questions.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Why do people want to ask questions when you know the answer will be managed accordingly?

Some excellent questions being posed in the members' forum.

I see AGRO got his question in.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Statements rather than questions are getting tedious.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Does anybody know who Joe is?

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Go BLues

Forced to deal with an onslaught from a handful of irate members at the club's annual general meeting, Carlton president Mark LoGiudice nevertheless remains upbeat about the Blues' future.

Addressing the Carlton faithful during an at-times heated AGM at Ikon Park on Tuesday night, LoGiudice and his board came under fire from several members, who questioned the club following a $2.7 million loss for 2015.

One member rose from his seat to interrupt LoGiudice mid-address, reeling off the details of the club's recent losses, and demanding a "frank and full explanation" of Carlton's finances.

"If this was a trading company, it would nearly be insolvent. We are in a position where the AFL has the right to ask for the keys," the man said. The Blues attempted to allay some of their supporters' concerns at a private members forum which followed the AGM.


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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Well if the Judge has foisted his sails to the mast of a return to surplus in 2016, then at least the members have a pretty firm guide on which to mark him (and potential challengers too).

I was there.

Trigg & Bolts are doing a good job selling hope to the members. Bolts got a very positive reaction from the audience and he is definitely in the honeymoon phase. Enjoy it while it lasts Bolts!

Mark means well, but he struggled in the face of some hostility from the crowd. Trigg handled the heat much better I thought.

I thought some of the questions from the members were sensible and intelligent, but too many just ranted and didn't articulate thoughtful questions. A couple were just down right odd.

SOS made a nice presentation but didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know. If he had been part of the Q&A I might have got involved.

Did anyone from TC ask a question?

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

AFL could ask for the keys bit .... Really they stated/asked that? Obviously they haven't read recent club media releases around our financial state.

It looked like "the members' forum" was a bit like an after-thought and patched onto the end so that only a few questions could be asked.

The real question should be what is Carlton's relationship with the AFL like? What is the AFL's plans for Carlton? How does the AFL see Carlton as a special club?
What is the AFL's motivation in getting Carlton to pay "equalisation taxes" when one considers it has been making losses so regularly?





It is good that members asked about the stadium deals....
If Carlton has been royally screwed at Docklands - shouldn't it be the AFL's responsibility....you know in line with their key doctrine of "equalisation" to ensure the pain is spread around a bit more?
eg having Hawthorn play some of their "home" matches at Docklands

The FIX-fix-TURE should be a key plank in their "equalisation" plans, yet Hawthorn gets clean signage and ground management at Launceston, whilst Carlton is under the thumb of some superannuation companies that own Docklands.

Hawthorn's 10 matches at the MCG should be reduced to eight, thereby in line with "equalisation" the financial burden of playing at Docklands is shared between rich and poor clubs.

Geelong brought this up in the media recently, but Trigg...all he can say is very AFL friendly.... "CEO Steven Trigg says the Club needs to be very careful in moving away from Etihad Stadium, especially if the AFL looks to buy the stadium." Yeah, that is in about seven years. In the meantime - get some more money from the AFL so as to make up for what clubs get for playing at the MCG.

It is clear from this statement and others in the media which clubs and CEOs are under the thumb of the AFL and which clubs aren't.

Trigg said that "the tea leaves suggested that this could be as early next year with new stadium deals in time for 2017".

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

I don't think that's fair. The forum went for 2 hours, about half of which must have been taken up by Q&A. There would have been time for more questions if people got to the point and asked their question, rather than rambling on. There was a few ill-informed rants which were, frankly, unhelpful and chewed up time.

I wonder if a better way in the future might be for members eligible to vote to be given another card to write down a question. All questions go into a ballot and Trigg keeps randomly pulling out questions and the panel answers them one by one until the time allotted expires or an agreed minimum number of questions (20?) are answered. It probably wouldn't go down well with the angry mob carrying pitchforks who 'want to have their say', but I actually think that it would be more democratic because you're never going to have time for everyone's question and this way more questions will be got to.

Trigg & Mark invited members to call/email them at anytime if they want to chat and they made themselves available after the meeting. People can rant then, if they want. At the forum itself, I want to hear the panel answer proper questions.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Yeah, but even if Carlton does a deal with the AFL on Docklands going by how Trigg deals with the AFL (based on his benign and congenial media statements) one would assume that he doesn't have much to deal with and Carlton will once again be used as the funding palace for the AFL's ambitions. I would prefer Carlton at the MCG seeing how much money Docklands has screwed from the Blues.

Let's start with
a) Carlton gets compensation for all the years they have played at Docklands. Trigg openly pushes for this in the media.

b) Hawthorn moves some of their home games to Docklands. Trigg openly pushes for this.

c) Carlton pays no equalisation tax and gets refunded all the money they have paid for what I feel should be more rightly called the AFL's insanity tax.. Trigg talks tough on eradicating this AFL insanity tax. If Collingwood and Hawthorn want to pay for it fine, but not Carlton.



Then if that occurs we can work from there with the AFL. Trigg needs to start dealing tough with the AFL like Geelong, Hawthorn and Collingwood do.


No one respects the USA anymore as they are too weak in their foreign affairs, eg Obama and his red line on Syria. Surprise, surprise he does nothing when Syria goes over the red line. No one respects weakness. Either get tough or go home. Same, no one respects Carlton as they are weak internally and externally.


A Boy Named Sue - apologies if it wasn't a fair statement about the members time for questions. You were there at the meeting, so you have more right to get the correct message out there on that side of things.

Another bad on field season and more poor attendances, and we ll be in no real position to be doing stadium deals.

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

Former Unofficial Selection Committee. Nice guy. Means well, but perhaps didn't convey his message well? President would have been expecting a small Calabrian man to stand up during proceedings. They speak throughout the year.

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I find the irate members (including AGRO) an interesting case study. I think there's a Kübler-Ross model happening. Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance. No one is at a wrong stage - people are just at different stages. The club has gone through these phases too. Right now I think they're in a bargaining phase - e.g... "I can change. Please give me a chance."

This is a good thing, because as a board - they were in the denial phase for a long time.

I dunno... I'm rambling. As a supporter, I personally want to get to acceptance. I'm not quite there yet - but I do know that this President and CEO are right when they invite members to call/email or have a coffee and a chat with them. That hasn't happened too often. Take advantage of it if you can. This isn't a public listed company. An AGM forum at Carlton is no longer an opportune time to air your grievances.

While the club is in a dark place - there is light at the end of the tunnel. Take a deep breath. Relax. Embrace the child-like Carlton supporter inside you. Have fun with it. Release the negative energy. Remove the anger...a lot of the stuff we were/are pent up about just doesn't matter anymore.

May everyone have a safe and happy Christmas. See you at the football in 2016. Go Blues.