Agree. Finally the penny is dropping for some. Another example of mediocrity being the norm

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

..no bells, he is a young developing tall that would still be feeling sore from the broken ribs..

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..he's a half forward, in regards to fitness he's on track.. ..draft a kid with reco'd knees and he will be behind his peers in fitness.. ..ditto for crisps.. ..we haven't used our first round pick for a ready made type that can step right in and deliver (ability and fitness) since our number ones.. ..but two years picking kids with longterm leg injuries before draft has meant that they're playing catch up in the fitness stakes..

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You're kidding BKB? Are we really thinking that's okay? We used pick 13 on a half forward who can't play midfield?

Third season and doesn't have fitness to be a full time half forward? Our standards really are low.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Ummm, facts are generally backed up by..... facts.....

..I remember us talking about this when we drafted him.. ..same with crisps.. ....their leg injuries stalled their development.. ..especially in menzel's case, the reason why he slid down the draft was because of his low fitness base And the likelihood of blowing out the knee again.. ....if crisps didn't lose time out for a broken leg no way would he have lasted to us he would have been monstering his peers..

..good talent but it will take time.. ..i'm not convinced Menzel will even be a midfielder down the track as some say..

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..hey that's a separate issue, we did it with crisps too.. ....psych, we used a pick 6 on an inconsistent small, what's pick 13 on a half forward..?.. ..he doesn't have the fitness base because he didn't enter the afl off a good base, due to knee injuries.. ..I hd this conversation with jimmae, he thinks you can build hard running kids in two years.. ..it takes time, we bemoaned this fact when we drafted them.. ..these days it takes a few years, minimum.. ..and more if they're bigger.. ..half the reason krooz went at pick one was because he was an athletic freak.. ..scully was picked in part due to elite fitness..

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difference of opinion. A lot rate him highly. I don't, yet. Cripps is in second year and broke a leg last season and is way ahead of Menzel.

Doesn't work hard enough for me and is lazy. His fitness testing is incredibly poor. I hope he comes good but I have my doubts.

3 years in the system and I would be hoping for more from a first round pick.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Menz had OP in the 2012/2013 preseason & hip surgery in the 2013/2014 preseason. So he's had one proper preseason & now missed a few weeks with a calf injury & hence is being managed through the VFL until he makes it through without an injury scare (i.e. hammy scare last week).

Not to mention his lack of conditioning when we drafted him due to his knee.

Hard to build a tank after only 1 uninterrupted preseason.

i can't be bothered to go dig it all up, but it's there.

look at menzel's stats from about the midway point from the 3rd until the end of the 4th. compare that to his output from the first two-thirds of the game. disposals down, tackles down, ground covered/ ran down. he tails off significantly in more than 75% of his games.

just looking at his body. he hasn't added any muscle or definition in 3 years & weighs the same. this is consistent with a guy a who doesn';t work hard, and i keep hearing around the traps the club is onto him about his work ethic.

in a team so starved for talent, you'd think they wouldn't rush a guy like menzel back into the team (like daisy, hendo, jamison, judd etc) if he could run out a game.

..I've commented about a few glimpses of bad habits creeping in to menzel's game.. ..fitness base isn't good but previous injuries are a big factor.. ..IF he is lazy in training, I don't know.. ..he does seem like a competitor though, or rather he did.. ..we could have carltoned him in record time..

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Not trying to argue with you em but that's just excuses to me. Many more have got through worse and produced more in a shorter amount of time.

IMO at this stage of his career he should be producing more than he has. In juries or not. If we were a Top 4 side we wouldn't even be having this conversation

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

hopefully for menzel ... its a bunch of lingering niggles slowing him down and nothing more. then i look at his hair, and i wonder if he's going all bryce on us and i start to think, maybe Gibbs is rubbing off onto him.

..like yarran before him, and gibbs before yarran.. ....players with an easy, natural skill level above most, often cruise through.... ..at least menzel is spent after a game, Gibbs and Yarran rarely are..

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i'd laugh if i wasn't crying!!

Staker out for them will lessen our chance of victory.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

casboult is going to make it rain. with goals.

scary isnt it

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

..we can always laugh at Watts..

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We can argue all we want BKB but proof will be in results. I actually hope you're right but at the moment I don't see it.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015