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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:41 am 
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You develop a negative game plan , you play a negative brand of footy , you start the game with loose man back against a side that has struggled to take a mark in the forward 50 . All leads to negative thought patterns and negative play .
think positive , be positive and results will come
Carlton and Malthouse are all about negatives they are on the defensive from the start only when they throw caution to the wind and play all out attacking football does this side look any good

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:56 am 
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a negative gameplan...probably what clubs do now to not be hammered if they dont have mids that can break even

anyway syd... hope u enjoyed the carlton swagger sticks and ratts brought back to the club

u see swagger didnt belong to carlton ... men within carlton brought it to carlton... sticks and ratts just found it here passed down to them

the question is what have they been passing down ???

this is how u lose it....
if u dont have positive people passing the flame down to the next generation you get what we have now

somehow somewhere we lost it...
and instead of passing down excellence... we were passing down complacency

so lance passed down to waite and waite passes down to this lot of players.

each passing down is further and further away and more diluted from the the origin .

thats what happened to melbourne.. and thats what happened to richmond.. its also our current state.

nobody bothered to create

but thats whats been happening all over the club

i used to find it peculiar what happened to richmond...now i know....

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:59 am 
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..and who we recruit that can bring it back, we trade out.. ..and instead hold onto those that fake it..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:30 am 
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kahuna... i dont know that kreuze will be shipped out
im thinking he will be

why?
because were in a pickle...

and we dont know about kreuzer
he rucked against guys much bigger than him aged 18
people bag kreuzer .. i never have...
i know what we did to him....

we flogged him
we flog anyone that might have an ounce of blood to give.

but hes in a situation right now where nobody knows what he has left.
he might be good for a rest.... or he might be totally shot...
the problem is im not sure we can afford to wait and see...

the position is being filled ok right now.
warnock will have his good days and not so good days.. as would K

ill never forgive ratten for many things... but one of the things i always desppised him for was running K ino the ground even when Hampson and Warnock were available .. he tried playing all three instead of resting K.
At the time K had an on going hip problem.. his knee was giving him pain ... and we had 2 other ruckmen.
He was soooo trying to get over Fev he was thinking Hampson was a CHF...
Betts...

The year we lost Fev (and kennedy before that)... we never replaced him.. but the Cats went out and got themselves Podsy
Darling was in the draft the next year....

Just terrible , terrible planning...
Meant even when K could be rested he wasnt.... ultimately it just led to more injuries and more non pre seasons...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:41 am 
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All these posts about the list could have been written on friday. Stuff about our team being flaky and unreliable could have been written 4 years ago.

Writing it all up now because we lost seems like we are covering for Micks woeful performance since being at CFC and in particular last Saturday against Brisbane.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:51 am 
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not really...
we knew we were flaky
how did we know ?
because they put in flaky performances
why did they do that?
for a bunch of reasons... recruitment .. shit coach etc
can we fix this?
yes we can in another three decades
do we need malthouse?
not necessarily... but i can say that about any coach we have
does he understand the footy side of things better than most people around the club?
judging by what he has been telling them over 18 months and whats transpired he does.

is this a bigger issue than the coach?
yes of course it is.... the list is a shambles of what youd expect with what we were given

can mick fix it?

the jury is out.. but there is no doubt that he will be given every opportunity to fix it

PS i dont expect him to be here a decade.. but i do expect him to get his extention as long as he wants it... and he has expressed the desire to restructure ...

personally i dont see how anyone can coach a team this lacking in depth and talent.. (yes we have talent but its shallow .. there is no depth.)... this lazy... if youre talking flakiness club being there 4 years ago.. and u can go back further.. what was done about it?
its just crap culture

now for me... im not expecting flags in my lifetime going forward....
i just hope to see some pride and background and a club at least approaching equal footing with reasonable clubs and not slipping by the minute

the days where i cared about losing to brisbane have well and truly passed ...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:28 am 
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..we talk about culture, we took a big hit pushing out Kennedy, even for Judd.. ..we push out krooze, another culture hit.. ..except this time, there is no Judd.. ..and Judd is about done from the last culture hit.. ..and we're left with non-match winners.. ..yes krooz may be shot, I don't think so though.. ..he is probably a write off for this season, but we will rush him back.. ..we will most likely then play him out of position.. ..and we will continue to 'trust' knockers, even though he isn't that good, we just like to fool ourselves into thinking he is.. ..terrible ruck skill on the weekend, and some talk him up as being a first class tap ruckman.. ..he is a fraud..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:16 am 
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Much more than just that BKB.
It started with the demise of Camporeale, Whitnall, Allan, Beaumont, Manton and the like and started to trade for players such as Martyn! Clubs sole ripped out there and then!
Then we went into tanking mode to top up, thinking top picks were going to fix everything.
Then we traded for the best player (still would have done that but not at the expense of our best KP young forward) and so on....
We f@&cked it up big time but it started with the Pagan delistings/trades right through to our tanking & trading.
Long way back from there now but what really concerned me is that we learned nothing with last years free agent movements.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:33 am 
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..late nineties it started, I am talking more recent, and what we may do this year.. ..we can debate how it started, but it is obvious how we are continuing it..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:17 pm 
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Started after the wooden spoon listen to Surrey over there. Lol

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:51 pm 
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Funny how even playing a supposed "negative gameplay" we still look like downhill skiers...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:56 pm 
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VENT!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:18 pm 
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As much as the loss hurt on the weekend it was probably a blessing in disguise. Scraping into the finals again this year would create a false sense of achievement, once again. People at the club need to make some big decisions at the end of the year and realise our list is no where near premiership material and start rebuilding. I only hope the people responsible for recruitment and development know what they are doing. Unfortunately to date they have proven that they do.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:24 pm 
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More of the same problems we've had for years.
A forward line that continually fails to function on a consistent basis. Once again we won the clearances, dominated the ruck, won the contested footy and had 25% more inside 50s.
Yet our ability to put together a structure that can capitalise or at the very least, halve a contest was woeful. People can kick Gibbs etc as the tend to do weekly but ask yourself, how can we work hard to getting 60 forward 50 entries, only to see the opposition rebound the ball 44 times.

We have struggled to score when the opposition have loose players behind the ball since 2006. Perhaps the coaches could use the 6 days per week they have with the players to formulate a method of rectifying the situation. At least showing some methodology in the next decade would be nice.

The primary issue isn't the back line or the midfield as many claim. They just get burnt when the opposition run through them with numbers. Our achilles heel for the past 20 years has been an accountable, competitive forward line. The retention of Jarrad Waite is symptomatic of our forward structure. Capable of minor glimpses of brilliance but devoid of hard work, smarts, consistency and discipline.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:05 pm 
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..no, we should have dominated the ruck, but we did not.. ..we hogged all the taps, and did sweet F.A with them.. ..in fact, it was a pretty shitful performance by our 'best tap ruckman' when he didn't even have a genuine ruck to go up against, backs up my opinion all along.. ..he isn't quality, just quantity.. ..all those taps, and we only just won the clearances battle.. ..best tap ruck, as if..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:08 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..no, we should have dominated the ruck, but we did not.. ..we hogged all the taps, and did sweet F.A with them.. ..in fact, it was a pretty shitful performance by our 'best tap ruckman' when he didn't even have a genuine ruck to go up against, backs up my opinion all along.. ..he isn't quality, just quantity.. ..all those taps, and we only just won the clearances battle.. ..best tap ruck, as if..


Seem to remember Sandilands getting exactly the same criticism for a long long time.

And yet their coaches play them.

Must be some reason why that is.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:16 pm 
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..yes Sandi did, and he was never considered a great ruck until he improved his ruck skill, AND did more in general play.. ..and with sandi's flaws, he is still far better than knockers and has always been so.. ..only thing they have in common is extreme height.. ..and if Sandi was against a non-ruck, my gods you'd then see what ruck dominance actually is.. ..seriously, knockers with 57 taps for a paltry 23% hit to advantage is a pisstake.. ..with over half a game without a genuine ruck opponent.. ..I could live with him being burned by a kpp in general play, but not to smash the ruck is weak.. ..getting taps isn't the be all and end all.. ..it's like a mid getting double the touches of anyone else but having half of them as clangers..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:23 pm 
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I go away for one weekend, leaving the team in all your capable hands, and this happens?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:43 pm 
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Got jumped early. Fought back. Game turned into a scrap and we needed everything to go our way to win. Nothing went our way. Loss.

This description applies to half a dozen games I can think of in the last few years.

It's frustrating, to say the least.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:49 pm 
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Geez those Lions players know how to stage for free kicks.

Nice theatrics from a few.


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