I changed my signature from "The List" quite some time ago.

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I agree. Connelly shows how clueless he is about our list. We've already started playing Rowe, Everitt, Docherty, Buckley and Menzel regularly (and Menzel doesn't really have AFL fitness yet, and Buckley looks like he's ready for a break). We'd be playing Bell, if he was fit. And Cripps would be getting some game time as well, if he was fit. I have no doubt that the MC would like to be putting games into Lucas and Bootsma, if they actually showed something at VFL level (or AFL level in Lucas' case). And Watson would probably be getting more games, if he wasn't being outperformed by Rowe.

Do we lack young talent? Yes, we do, Rohan.
Is the MC trying to refresh the senior side? Clearly yes. We've been without Judd, Scotland and Carrazzo for much of the year. Waite's been demoted to VFL level already once. Likewise with Garlett, and he's been right on the edge of being demoted again in recent weeks.
Rohan's got history with MM, and it shows again. Regardless of what you think of Malthouse, he can't be accused of not giving younger players a fair go.

How can we send a message to our recruiting dept.I have been saying this many times we need 1 tall kpf 195 and above and midds that can run ,carry.eg zorko.Players that are opposite to cachia,graham.chooka ,carrazzo.ellard they are all to slow .So if we keep graham and we have cripps we need to recruit speed players as those to arent blessed with space.

Talk about offering Kruezer for a top 3 pick is fantasy/bullshit.
Yes, Malthouse may have put it on the table but let's be honest, if the board vetoed the plan, it was only to stop us further embarrassing ourselves. I love Kreuzer but he's not worth a top 15 pick at the moment let alone top 3.

As for Jaksch etc. Ask yourself, why would they want to come to Carlton at the moment?
They're being developed at GWS, they're actually required to earn a spot so when it's earned, it comes with some form of satisfaction and they're playing at a club that is rapidly becoming a top shelf AFL team. They're solidly backed to succeed by the AFL and they have a solid bunch of kids around the same age.
To leave that environment, they would have half a dozen better credentialed clubs dangling a better carrot.

The days of expecting players to come because 'we are Carlton" are long gone. It's only the dinosaurs at the club who still think it exists.
We have to do something this club's never done before. Formulate a list development plan, put together a committee that isn't dictated to by the board/administration and start from scratch. Give something to get something, be realistic in our expectations (that includes our coach not believing a broken down, undersized ruck an is worth pick 1 ) and build with youth. Plan for sustained success in 5 years, not accidental finals appearances this year.

At least if the club had the balls to walk the talk, I'd believe they had some long term hope.

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but bv everybody wants to come to carlton...... cheque book

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While players may not be enticed to come to Carlton because there status as a powerhouse club has diminished, there is still the 'come home' factor that pulls players back to Victoria, see Docherty and Everitt.

I do agree though that it wouldn't be worth trading Kreuzer, as his value in the trade market would be far less than (a) what we gave up for him and (b) what he could be worth if he had an injury free season.

still ... I'd rather come home and go to carlton over many melbourne teams.

Bulldogs, north, richmond and st kilda. Essendon*'s drug's suspensions would be a red flag too. Pies and hawks are super selective over who they recruit and are hard against the cap each season as well.

We're not a bad destination.

This.
Just a bitter, ugly, untalented little hack troll who somehow still has a job.

Nothing genuinely useful in that article.
Just a little: "oh look Essendon* won on the weekend so let's all act like gleeful demonic little p#ssants" article.

..krooz isn't undersized, 200/201 isn't undersized.. ..giants were very keen, krooz for pick one, and assorted sweeteners was a possibility, that is why it went to the board and why krooz was asked the hard question.... ..both knocked it back.. ..ppl will talk krooz down, and yet he has been our only match winning ruck in a least a decade..

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I love how Connolly said we should play Byrne & Sheehan. That don't know how to play the freaking game yet mate!

rohan is the reason you shouldnt listen to the "experts"

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Please tell me we didn't knock back pick number 1 for Kreuzer? If we did, that will be another disastrous decision (or non decision) this club has made over recent years.

1? You mean right now?

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The year before last. We knocked back either a very early draft pick (maybe the first) or a pick in the mini draft. Don't know the details or what Kreuzer's say in the matter was.

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It would allow him to start writing stories about how disgraceful it is that Carlton are playing blokes with no idea and are tanking.

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..just last off season actually, is the word.. ..not sure what th other minor bits would have been, but yes krooz was chased by gws, and pick on was in the offing.. ..salty malty was keen, board was not, moot point however cos krooz said no..

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You've hit the nail on the head. It wouldn't be depressing having a long rebuild if we had faith the club would do it correctly. I'd bet against it. I highly doubt they even realise how bad the situation is.

This is a club who thought they were top 4 material. In actuality, bottom 4.
7 years of god awful list management and shortcuts has put them in this position.
They are just in denial, which doesn't bode well for our future.


Speaking of KPP stocks - carlton = genuine worst in afl.
We have Henderson (great backman but decent forward as he lacks the speed or size to consistently beat opponent)
That's it! It's unbelievably dire.

yea u would have imagined that jamo would have dominated that back half on the weekend

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I don't talk Kreuzer down, I love the bloke. But he's not worth anywhere near pick 1 and to suggest the Giants would have entertained it is pure nonsense.

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Byrne isn't even on the list!
Only Carlton cheats

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