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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:52 pm 
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The Bomb tactic is pure brilliance by Dr Strangelove but seriously, Casboult has to lead more ... as Cloke does for Collingwood.


How's Cloke going?


Not great this year ... but does not invalidate my point.

Maybe Levi does not want to lead ... because the big bomb is always gunna happen anyway. :grin:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:07 pm 
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waite and garlett need to kick goals - they continue to miss easy ones when we need to put scoreboard pressure - these two primarily cost us against Richmond with their inept kicking for goal -as senior players need to do much better - that's not to absolve the rest of the team from blame but with their experience and skill should kick those goals



If I had to guess, this is why I think they've been dropped this week.
Probably also because their forward pressure needs to lift.


I'd say that's probably right. But that's just me...and you.

MM says that maybe Garlett hasnt come to terms from the shoulder operation. Apparently Garlett played with a bung shoulder for the last 3 years. Weird he doesnt feel a sense of freedom post op if that's the case.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:34 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
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The Bomb tactic is pure brilliance by Dr Strangelove but seriously, Casboult has to lead more ... as Cloke does for Collingwood.


How's Cloke going?


Not great this year ... but does not invalidate my point.

Maybe Levi does not want to lead ... because the big bomb is always gunna happen anyway. :grin:


It does. Cloke doesn't do well currently due to his leading patterns. Dermie explained it very well last night on League Teams. I won't though :-)

Pretty much the counter attack style sees the defensive team zone the middle to compensate for the break, what then happens is you need a perfect kick to get over that defensive zone and hit Cloke on the lead up the middle, remember he also has a trailing defender, it's a low percentage play.

The end result is Cloke gets his leading marks out on the wing/flanks as that's the only clear space unimpeded forward of him and allows the zone to push back inside 50.

I think Levi leads often, except he has the problem of the zone going to the wings as well and our players don't have any ability to hit that perfect pass to him. Watch how many times we bomb it go him on 2-3 players in a position of disadvantage.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:38 pm 
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Cloke has done ok in the past ... maybe different leading patterns ... lol.

So if you don't think Levi should lead that means he should only be a pack marker. Kind of in line with Dr Strangeloves idea. Thats ok ... I just think he would be a better forward if he had more strings to his bow.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:10 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Cloke has done ok in the past ... maybe different leading patterns ... lol.

So if you don't think Levi should lead that means he should only be a pack marker. Kind of in line with Dr Strangeloves idea. Thats ok ... I just think he would be a better forward if he had more strings to his bow.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:15 pm 
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Long time reader, seldom do I post, but it is getting harder to refrain from typing so here goes...

Good changes I think, we can't and shouldn't expose too much youth all at once; partly because changing like for like is largely irrelevant, but also because the confidence and motivation of the group at large needs to be nurtured to improve it, not shattered by a ridiculous amount of "droppings". A message has been sent by dropping a team elder and by dropping Bell the statement is made that you don't just get a game because you are young.

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We won't lose but it'll be interesting to see if trading out scoring power for discipline and hard work pays off.

Increasing discipline and work ethic is exactly what we need. If persisted with will evolve into a more cohesive team oriented ethos.
We have to start somewhere and we can't just say "ok if you have poor disposal you don't get a game". Hell by that criteria Judd would struggle these days. Hard work is exactly where we need to start.

The glaring difference last week between the bombers and us was that every time they took a mark their team mates would run harder than ever for the first five seconds to open options and start our panic. Every time we took a mark our players would stop for the first five seconds for a mini break. It's courage and discipline - not fitness; and it make the passage of play that follows easier. What every player on our team did in the first 5 seconds after we got the ball set us up to fail. This week that must change.

Bell is a bit unlucky to be dropped but Mick has already mentioned that Tom has a bit to do in certain areas. We can only sumise that he isn't hitting those KPI's yet. As for the dropping Waite or Rowe argument I would offer that Sam is playing much closer to his potential than "Mr Almost" is an that this is hurting the team more that Rowe. Garlett is another issue all together, he and Tuohy look very out of touch and should probably both be send down to try and gain confidence.

We will win this week and my prediction would be 6+ goals, as we should; Melbourne are a shattered team, not an easy job even for Roos's vaunted man management abilities.

I could go on, but... time for more wine.


Feel free to post more often Mark! Good stuff.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:28 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
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We need to remember too that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. We judge players on what we see on game day. But let's face it, most of us are ball watching and have a limited grasp on the full tactics of the team and the role of individual players.

We also don't know what a player's attitude is like on a day to day basis around the club and at training. We also don't know what a player's mental state is like, or physical state for that matter.

Maybe Graham isn't doing something the MC want him to do? Or maybe the MC has studied the opposing team and see a role for Lucas? Or maybe he trained the house down this week? Maybe Bell isn't positioning himself correctly in certain game situations and it's hurting the team? Maybe Garlett's confidence is down and they want to get him out of the spotlight for a week? Maybe the conditions will suit Scotland and we want his leadership? Maybe there's off field issues with Waite we don't know about?

Anyway. Good luck Cripps, glad your injury wasn't anything serious :thumbsup:


Graham goes good but it's not like he's BOG every week

He got a game or two last year and choked under pressure kicking down the spine when that was the worst option

Then pre season he put in a shocker

TAC seem to have an artificial hard on for Graham. The way you people rave about him you'd think he's BOG every week

:confused: WTF? Not sure if that last line is directed at me, but I don't think I 'rave' about Graham regularly at all. He certainly played very well in the last quarter of last Sunday's VFL game. If you think my above post equates to a "hard on" (classy, by the way) for Graham, then you are in need of serious help.

Get well soon.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:36 pm 
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Maybe he needs a "brain lobotomy"...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:06 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Cloke has done ok in the past ... maybe different leading patterns ... lol.

So if you don't think Levi should lead that means he should only be a pack marker. Kind of in line with Dr Strangeloves idea. Thats ok ... I just think he would be a better forward if he had more strings to his bow.

As a meme originator, you're an abject failure. Have you noticed that no one's run with your "Dr. Strangelove" shtick. Time to give it a rest. It didn't fly. Stick to what you do best........ Er... Stand up? Or whatever it is.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:26 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Cloke has done ok in the past ... maybe different leading patterns ... lol.

So if you don't think Levi should lead that means he should only be a pack marker. Kind of in line with Dr Strangeloves idea. Thats ok ... I just think he would be a better forward if he had more strings to his bow.

As a meme originator, you're an abject failure. Have you noticed that no one's run with your "Dr. Strangelove" shtick. Time to give it a rest. It didn't fly. Stick to what you do best........ Er... Stand up? Or whatever it is.


Who's Dr Strangelove??

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:30 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Cloke has done ok in the past ... maybe different leading patterns ... lol.

So if you don't think Levi should lead that means he should only be a pack marker. Kind of in line with Dr Strangeloves idea. Thats ok ... I just think he would be a better forward if he had more strings to his bow.

As a meme originator, you're an abject failure. Have you noticed that no one's run with your "Dr. Strangelove" shtick. Time to give it a rest. It didn't fly. Stick to what you do best........ Er... Stand up? Or whatever it is.


Who's Dr Strangelove??



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:38 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Cloke has done ok in the past ... maybe different leading patterns ... lol.

So if you don't think Levi should lead that means he should only be a pack marker. Kind of in line with Dr Strangeloves idea. Thats ok ... I just think he would be a better forward if he had more strings to his bow.

As a meme originator, you're an abject failure. Have you noticed that no one's run with your "Dr. Strangelove" shtick. Time to give it a rest. It didn't fly. Stick to what you do best........ Er... Stand up? Or whatever it is.


Who's Dr Strangelove??


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:43 pm 
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Jez1966 wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Cloke has done ok in the past ... maybe different leading patterns ... lol.

So if you don't think Levi should lead that means he should only be a pack marker. Kind of in line with Dr Strangeloves idea. Thats ok ... I just think he would be a better forward if he had more strings to his bow.

As a meme originator, you're an abject failure. Have you noticed that no one's run with your "Dr. Strangelove" shtick. Time to give it a rest. It didn't fly. Stick to what you do best........ Er... Stand up? Or whatever it is.


Who's Dr Strangelove??


MM

Hilarious, isn't it? And really catching on. Its popularity has the momentum of a runaway freight train!

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aboynamedsue wrote:
Jez1966 wrote:
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moshe25 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Cloke has done ok in the past ... maybe different leading patterns ... lol.

So if you don't think Levi should lead that means he should only be a pack marker. Kind of in line with Dr Strangeloves idea. Thats ok ... I just think he would be a better forward if he had more strings to his bow.

As a meme originator, you're an abject failure. Have you noticed that no one's run with your "Dr. Strangelove" shtick. Time to give it a rest. It didn't fly. Stick to what you do best........ Er... Stand up? Or whatever it is.


Who's Dr Strangelove??


MM

Hilarious, isn't it? And really catching on. Its popularity has the momentum of a runaway freight train!

I just googled it... very clever

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:24 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
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What has the Pink Panther got to do with Carlton?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:33 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
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unbelievable Tom Bell out Scotland in?
Yep there's a selection for the future...
I guess Cripps will be sub and get 20 mins to get into his 1st game
MM mustn't like him because to me bell actually adds something around the contest!
And actually looks like he's given everything after each contest, there's a few players that could gave work rate like him.
As for Scotland I remember being gutted when campo left to the scum
But it opened up a spot for a young guy named kade Simpson
No offense to Scotland but he's had his run not going to win a flag with him.


Chapman killed us and he's an old stager right?


Scotland has been a great player but you cannot seriously compare him
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Cloke has done ok in the past ... maybe different leading patterns ... lol.

So if you don't think Levi should lead that means he should only be a pack marker. Kind of in line with Dr Strangeloves idea. Thats ok ... I just think he would be a better forward if he had more strings to his bow.


We just need to move the ball quicker and dispose of it cleanly to give a chance.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:16 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Who's Dr Strangelove??


Cameron Croad

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:49 pm 
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Maybe he needs a "brain lobotomy"...


actually just a lobotomy would do - http://www.livescience.com/42199-loboto ... ition.html

think this confirms that the brain is the only part of the body you can perform the procedure on - yeh, I am being a smart-arse but we really should be accurate here. not rocket surgery you know, but happy to be proven wrong

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