..i hear what yer saying regarding 8 onballers slacking off, but at least they're in their natural position.. ..i reckon the 3 rucks try as much as they can, but they dont have the fwd smarts... ..without fwd smarts, it's difficult to get off your opponent, and so a tall non-fwd will always be up against the odds to outmark their genuine KPD opponent..

..because they dont understand running patterns, even with good work rate they run to the wrong spots, mis-time their double or repeat leads, don't run good figure 8's etc etc.. ..so, when our runners look up, their 'talls' are often out of position.. ..this is why we bomb the ball so much.. ..this is why a player like waite, who is good but not great, make such a great impact to our structures.. .... ..it's why last week, the injection of hendo fwd made such a huge difference..

..you can get away with 1 ruck playing as a kpf, but they have to have a real KPF running the show..

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..Waite still does silly things.. ..he's been lucky in the past with not being reported, or getting off.. ..there was a time not too long ago where he enjoyed lifting the elbow, and was a sniper.. .... ..he's still prone to making judgement errors.. ..and it's plainly obvious that he's the messiah for us up fwd.. ..with his immaturity and lack of real accountable leadership, its not a good thing to have..

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If Waite played for Sydney he would not be playing, the playing group would not TRUST him.
Sometimes you need to go a step backwards before you can go forward.

Don't agree with that. Punishment comes in so many ways. Being embarrassed in front of your teammates, feeling you've let them down, feeling their anger towards you.

Leaving him out this week would harm the team. That helps nobody including Waite. The best thing he can do now is go out play good disciplined football and help us win.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Heard of Barry Hall? What are you not agreeing with?

Are u seriously comparing what Barry Hall did with what Waite did?

Adam Goodes has been suspended as have others. Have they been banished after it?

You are assessing "Trust" on one act. Doesn't work that way.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

..not neccessarily, different line-up and structures would minimise the absence of Waite.. ..it's just another level of softness.. ..too weak to take the pain of missing him, and so not strong enough to set a standard.. ..we continue to rely and put far too much faith in a veteran player thats simply not available for selection enough..

..the idea that the best thing he can do now is play disciplined football, is nice.. ..but he has his silly brain fades, he hs and he obviously still continues to do so.. ..the very act of trying to downplay his indiscretion, even though in and of itself was minor, is trying to avoid taking real responsibility.. ..it's a half apology, it's not full acceptance.. .. ..instead of showing real remorse, and be all about winning back the respect that he lost, he's trying to make himself not look as bad as he is, instead of being honest and accepting that he was stupid.. ..and not just a little bit stupid..

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..dont think he meat it that way.. ..infractions were different, but the idea of the club adding time is the comparison..

..if waite had showed the years of real leadership that goodes has, he'd have earned the same level of understanding.. ..but, lets also take into mind the good captain and dual brownlow medalist goodes is also taking a lot of heat for his indiscretions..

..and i think we're all assessing the trust in waite, over his career.. ..he's 30 now, and still nibbles on the angry pills.. ..for a leader of the club, and upon who so much importance is placed upon, his brain fade is un-acceptable.. .... ..and because he's not the only leader who muffs it up [snotland before him], it shows that we have selfish leaders..

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How do you know that leaving him out would have any benefit at all? What's his personality type, is there any other issues? What is the bigger picture?

I think you can be assured that Waite has been dealt with internally and has been given ONE opportunity.

If you left him out and we lost again how would he then be viewed by his teammates? IMO they have made the right decision.

It's now up to him.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

..because it's not about waite, its about the carlton blues.. ..and even if his personality cracks the sads [screw him if it did], its more important that the team gets the message, even if he does not..

..yes its now up to him.. ..again.. ..to save us..

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agree Kahuna

and this club mentaly relies on J Waite!!!... without Waite were nothing!!!....
J Waite holds all the aces for this footy club.. and the players are hostage to Waite and so is the club ..

Give me a break!!!!

Waite shouldnt play this week!!!.. its about the message and the process not about one J Waite!!!

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Exactly, that's my point. Doing it this way may well be of a bigger benefit to the Club. I'm not concerned about Waite, my concern is the culture of the club. Making an example of a player or dropping them isn't always the best solution. There are so many different options.

Unless your involved internally we simply don't know. To suggest dropping someone or banning them is just to simplistic and archaic.

IMO to keep him out would simply make the issues more deep seated from both sides.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

how many times has Waite been told off internally??

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..except for years now, we've tried to 'talk them into sense', and hope they get the message.. ..this has been our M.O for years now, and our supposed leaders still haven't gotten the message.. ..we see this with off-field indiscretions, and by on-field play..

..yes i dont know what goes on internally.. ..but from the outside it seems that what we have so far tried hasn't worked, so we need to try another option..

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Different and new regime now. The culture and attitude around the club has improved immensely. Not where it needs to be but I believe strongly its on the right track.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

2013.05.16 - AFl 360 - Jarrad Waite, Carlton
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2013.05.16 - League Teams - Carlton v Port Adelaide preview
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2013.05.16 - Marngrook - Carlton v Port Adelaide preview
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2013.05.16 - The Footy Show - Carlton v Port Adelaide preview, Alex marcou, peter mcconville
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..Scotland and Robbo involved in fisticuffs over the pre-season, Waite suspended for a brain fade.. ..i agree that it's on the right track, but it still has a long while to go, and i'm not sure culture has improved that much [yet].. ..though i believe it will, it would benefit from some high, enforced standards..

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How are you involved internally?

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Once again your assuming its not happening. Believe me when I say it is. Externally you can't see it.

The Waite issue has been dealt with and he knows where he stands. He wouldn't want to do it again. Not playing him this weekend serves no benefit to Waite, the Club or it players. If it did I would fully agree with you.

The culture inside the club is so far ahead of where it was 12 months ago it is amazing and extremely positive.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Pretty sure Adam Goodes gets automatic inclusion no matter how many times he slides in with feet or knees...