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Do you want Travis Cloke if it costs us $5m over 5 years?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:33 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
get both



er ... salary cap?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:35 am 
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plenty of room with some work

certain delistings, trades etc

reworking contracts

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:37 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
As I have posted elsewhere get a key back such as Chaplin from Port for half the price of Cloke. Fills a more pressing need and no 5 years.

Chaplin is not a key back

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:45 am 
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Siegfried wrote:
I think Cloke will stay at Collingwood (no info, just what I reckon).

However, it's worth noting that Cloke has had by most people's reckoning, a pretty average year. Many people are suggesting his value has gone down, whether or not that is reflected in his next contract. And yet, he's kicked 50 goals.

Add Cloke and his 50 goals in an average year to our forward line, alongside Walker (50 goals last year and was pushing All Australian), Betts (ditto), Garlett, Waite...Cloke and his 50 goals makes us a serious flag contender.


I'm on the fence regarding Cloke.

I (like all of us) don't have a list of the club's contracts in front of me and can't make a judgement on how we fit him in and what it costs in terms of cap space.

But I (unlike all of us) do recognise he doesn't cost picks or players.

So I won't be too depressed or ecstatic either way (other than the ecstasy that comes from watching Eddie's head explode).

That said, the logic that he adds 50 goals to our forward line is the same logic that had Fev kicking 80 and Brown kicking 60. There are still only so many forward 50s in a game of football. A number of Cloke's goals (and behinds) will be from forward 50 entries that would have ended up in the hands of Walker, Betts, Waite etc.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:51 am 
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A number of Cloke's goals (and behinds) will be from forward 50 entries that would have ended up in the hands of Walker, Betts, Waite etc.


If it means we kick less to Eddie in the pocket or over his head, then GET CLOKE

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:20 am 
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Not really sure if I want Cloke, but it would be worth it just to see Eddie McChins face if we get both Cloke and Malthouse.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:36 am 
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Would like a Cloke at the right price, but would LOVE for a combination of Casboult and Mitchell to be the next big things and become power forwards who monster opposition defences.

Grow our own!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:45 am 
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From what I've heard and a bit of gut feeling I believe we will not get Cloke. It's just a bit of stirring.

I believe we have targeted several options. MM has said he wants a big target up forward and believes Casboult/Mitchell are at least 2-3 years away from being consistent contributors.

Players we are looking seriously at as options: Lucas Cook (although still a development player) Shaun McKernan & Jesse White.

I really believe White is a serious option. MM will want someone to fill the spot now. He is big, has the talent but is lazy. MM may be able to get the best out of him. He will also be fairly cheap.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:19 am 
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teknodeejay wrote:
Would like a Cloke at the right price, but would LOVE for a combination of Casboult and Mitchell to be the next big things and become power forwards who monster opposition defences.

Grow our own!


THIS!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

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ThePsychologist wrote:
From what I've heard and a bit of gut feeling I believe we will not get Cloke. It's just a bit of stirring.

I believe we have targeted several options. MM has said he wants a big target up forward and believes Casboult/Mitchell are at least 2-3 years away from being consistent contributors.

Players we are looking seriously at as options: Lucas Cook (although still a development player) Shaun McKernan & Jesse White.

I really believe White is a serious option. MM will want someone to fill the spot now. He is big, has the talent but is lazy. MM may be able to get the best out of him. He will also be fairly cheap.

I floated the idea of chasing White last year but as you say, the guy is lazy and apparently fits into the "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" category. If Roosy couldn't get the best out of him, would Mick have any more hope?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:26 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
From what I've heard and a bit of gut feeling I believe we will not get Cloke. It's just a bit of stirring.

I believe we have targeted several options. MM has said he wants a big target up forward and believes Casboult/Mitchell are at least 2-3 years away from being consistent contributors.

Players we are looking seriously at as options: Lucas Cook (although still a development player) Shaun McKernan & Jesse White.

I really believe White is a serious option. MM will want someone to fill the spot now. He is big, has the talent but is lazy. MM may be able to get the best out of him. He will also be fairly cheap.

I floated the idea of chasing White last year but as you say, the guy is lazy and apparently fits into the "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" category. If Roosy couldn't get the best out of him, would Mick have any more hope?


True. But he is a few years older and will be on last chance. A fresh start may be what he needs. Who knows. If cheap may be a good option. Huge man and if can create a contest, may be well worth it. Can play ruck as well.

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ThePsychologist wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
I really believe White is a serious option. MM will want someone to fill the spot now. He is big, has the talent but is lazy. MM may be able to get the best out of him. He will also be fairly cheap.

I floated the idea of chasing White last year but as you say, the guy is lazy and apparently fits into the "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" category. If Roosy couldn't get the best out of him, would Mick have any more hope?


True. But he is a few years older and will be on last chance. A fresh start may be what he needs. Who knows. If cheap may be a good option. Huge man and if can create a contest, may be well worth it. Can play ruck as well.

Perhaps Mick could see him as a Leigh Brown type?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:29 am 
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If they land Cloke the entire forward structure would have to be rebuilt it would mean Hendo would become a backman for sure - Walker most likely need to reinvent himself again - Casboult Hampson and Mitchell will be reserve players and a big question mark on what to do with Waite and Warnock

We have a stack of players that could play second fiddle to Cloke up forward but no one is a real standout

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:32 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
From what I've heard and a bit of gut feeling I believe we will not get Cloke. It's just a bit of stirring.

I believe we have targeted several options. MM has said he wants a big target up forward and believes Casboult/Mitchell are at least 2-3 years away from being consistent contributors.

Players we are looking seriously at as options: Lucas Cook (although still a development player) Shaun McKernan & Jesse White.

I really believe White is a serious option. MM will want someone to fill the spot now. He is big, has the talent but is lazy. MM may be able to get the best out of him. He will also be fairly cheap.



..i hope we don't chase Cook, we've got better options on our list already to develop.. ..as for White, i don't see him being any better than Hampson [worse actually].. ..he may be more durable, perhaps.. ..but that's about it..

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Donstuie wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
True. But he is a few years older and will be on last chance. A fresh start may be what he needs. Who knows. If cheap may be a good option. Huge man and if can create a contest, may be well worth it. Can play ruck as well.

Perhaps Mick could see him as a Leigh Brown type?


But much bigger, he's 197cm & 107kgs. Imagine having White and Casboult as the big targets up inside 30 and relieving in the ruck. Warnock does 80% with Casboult/White having impacts at different times. Henderson as the working CHF with Waite loose and Eddie/Garlett underneath. Not bad.

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Jesse White is a spud


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But much bigger, he's 197cm & 107kgs. Imagine having White and Casboult as the big targets up inside 30 and relieving in the ruck. Warnock does 80% with Casboult/White having impacts at different times. Henderson as the working CHF with Waite loose and Eddie/Garlett underneath. Not bad.


..krooz & hammer..??..

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ThePsychologist wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
From what I've heard and a bit of gut feeling I believe we will not get Cloke. It's just a bit of stirring.

I believe we have targeted several options. MM has said he wants a big target up forward and believes Casboult/Mitchell are at least 2-3 years away from being consistent contributors.

Players we are looking seriously at as options: Lucas Cook (although still a development player) Shaun McKernan & Jesse White.

I really believe White is a serious option. MM will want someone to fill the spot now. He is big, has the talent but is lazy. MM may be able to get the best out of him. He will also be fairly cheap.

I floated the idea of chasing White last year but as you say, the guy is lazy and apparently fits into the "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" category. If Roosy couldn't get the best out of him, would Mick have any more hope?


True. But he is a few years older and will be on last chance. A fresh start may be what he needs. Who knows. If cheap may be a good option. Huge man and if can create a contest, may be well worth it. Can play ruck as well.

We have definitely spoken with cornelius,from what i have heard from his mates his biggest problem is he does not train hard enough,and he knows this will be his last chance.
Whether he is what we need who knows i have not seen him play.


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ThePsychologist wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I floated the idea of chasing White last year but as you say, the guy is lazy and apparently fits into the "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" category. If Roosy couldn't get the best out of him, would Mick have any more hope?


True. But he is a few years older and will be on last chance. A fresh start may be what he needs. Who knows. If cheap may be a good option. Huge man and if can create a contest, may be well worth it. Can play ruck as well.

We have definitely spoken with cornelius,from what i have heard from his mates his biggest problem is he does not train hard enough,and he knows this will be his last chance.
Whether he is what we need who knows i have not seen him play.


Not big enough. More a third tall if anything.

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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
But much bigger, he's 197cm & 107kgs. Imagine having White and Casboult as the big targets up inside 30 and relieving in the ruck. Warnock does 80% with Casboult/White having impacts at different times. Henderson as the working CHF with Waite loose and Eddie/Garlett underneath. Not bad.


..krooz & hammer..??..


They're Ruckman not forwards. White/Casboult are more forwards who can relieve in the ruck. With the current bench and the possibility of going to 2/2 one ruckman with a part time backup will be the norm.

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