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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:05 pm 
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Fish is great value but lets be honest he was lucky to get to 50 games let alone 99 games.

Bit of a sack-job not getting him to 100 - not sure he overly deserves it other than being a great guy.

That's life - we move on...


Blue4 you are entitled to your opinion,but that is just plain wrong.Brad Fisher earnt every single game he played.In fact he was a maynstay in our dark years...................our second half of the year was garbage and there were plenty getting a game who were very ordinary to say the least.The Fish was playing very well in the magoos and more than earnt a recall.Ratten had plenty of oppurtunity to limp him to his 100....................not doing so sends a terrible messaget to the playing group.Its screaming out of heartlessness..............The team doesnt come first.The club comes first.Making little tiny gestures,small significant acts here and there..............thats what makes your club.It sets the tone.And what our great club has done to Brad Fisher is a despicable shameless bastard act.There is a massive diferance between ruthless and callous.


You would have to agree with this purely from a precedent point of view....if we could find it in our hearts to get Mick 'waste of space' Martyn to 300 :roll: then we should have gotten Fish to a 100.... :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:43 pm 
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No. This club is a professional organisation now. The club that got Martyn to 300 was a laughing stock.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:01 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
blue4 wrote:
Fish is great value but lets be honest he was lucky to get to 50 games let alone 99 games.

Bit of a sack-job not getting him to 100 - not sure he overly deserves it other than being a great guy.

That's life - we move on...


Blue4 you are entitled to your opinion,but that is just plain wrong.Brad Fisher earnt every single game he played.In fact he was a maynstay in our dark years...................our second half of the year was garbage and there were plenty getting a game who were very ordinary to say the least.The Fish was playing very well in the magoos and more than earnt a recall.Ratten had plenty of oppurtunity to limp him to his 100....................not doing so sends a terrible messaget to the playing group.Its screaming out of heartlessness..............The team doesnt come first.The club comes first.Making little tiny gestures,small significant acts here and there..............thats what makes your club.It sets the tone.And what our great club has done to Brad Fisher is a despicable shameless bastard act.There is a massive diferance between ruthless and callous.


What's going on with some of you? This is just bizarre.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:31 am 
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Someone has held a grudge after Ratten traded Fevola.

And it's just another episode of Ratten bashing on TC.

No way known that we could have gifted Fisher a game in must win games against Richmond, Fremantle, Geelong and Essendon*.

We needed to pick the team that would play in the finals.

Who would you have dropped to play Fisher against Geelong and Freo on Subiaco which is a huge ground with a fast track?

Fisher wouldn't have been of any use to Carlton in those games.

We smashed Essendon* and Richmond with Henderson and Waite starring.

Just like Shaun Grigg, it appears Fisher was now on the outer and overlooked by Ratten for every week of 2010. :wink: :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:51 am 
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Kouta wrote:
Someone has held a grudge after Ratten traded Fevola.

And it's just another episode of Ratten bashing on TC.


Ratten bashing?
It's just posters stating it as they see it. Simplifying the issue as "grudges" and "Ratten bashing" is nonsense. Fish was a loyal servant of the club through 8 or 9 years of its bleakest history. Some posters are disappointed to see him miss out on having his name on his locker when less deserving players have received similar or greater concessions in the past.

From my perspective, it's good to see Ratten being so ruthless and demanding in his expectations of the playing group. However after hearing him consistently watering down expectations of the collective (which is the mechanism coaches are mostly judged by), it tends to lose some of its credibility. Players and supporters will gladly accept a hard nosed approach. As long as you're using the same standards when looking in the mirror.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:46 pm 
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If Ratts and the coaching panel didnt have Fisher in their plans both short term and long term you would think the decision to play him just so he could get a milestone would have to come from those in positions above. Could possibly be a board decision.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:11 pm 
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Yeah. Simon Wilson will be doing the match ups on game day too.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:40 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Yeah. Simon Wilson will be doing the match ups on game day too.


He'd like to.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:56 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Yeah. Simon Wilson will be doing the match ups on game day too.


haha nice gag.

In truth though if Ratten said - "hey we dont think Fisher is going to help us but we are going to play him anyway so he can get to one hundred games. i know we need to make the finals and getting a home final is super important but Fisher is a great bloke who played with us during the dark days" - I would hope those running the club would have a say in such decisions.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:30 pm 
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I'm not saying Fish should have got a freebie. If Ratts wants to take a totally clinical and professional approach, I'm fine with that. It's good to see someone take a totally ruthless attitude to the standards of performance required.

By the same token, I'm expecting Ratten to set exceptional standards for himself as well. No more of the piss weak diversion and hosing down of expectations I saw this year. Top 4 and finals wins thrown in. If not, I expect him to have the same ruthlessness for himself and walk. No excuses. No reflecting on injuries, suspensions or bad luck.
Out the door or his credibility will be worth jack shit.

You cant have it both ways.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:36 pm 
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True. Top 4 or bust this year for Ratts. I am not sure deep down he would want the job if he fails to reach top 4 this year.
Having said that i am sure he welcomes the challenge as he is a competitor.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:16 am 
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If Fish is disappointed at being de-listed on 99 games then he would do well to read how many fans he has on here discussing the topic. A good, simple, honest player with great hands who, unfortunately, was never going to be an integral part of the road forward. I'm sure Ratts has had a good chat to him behind closed doors and there would be no hard feelings whatsoever.

Cheers Fish!

Bring on the new guns!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:43 am 
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Thats crazy talk. No confidence in himself for not playing a bloke who wasnt part of the future and didnt fit our game style in a must win game just so this player can get to 100. Sounds like you are more confused than "the lot in charge".


Getting Fish to 100 games would have been a recognition of loyalty and performance on and off the field. A more secure coach would have had the confidence in his game plan and players to easily beat a bottom 4 team like Richmond. In fact, Ratten could have used Fish's 100th game as an additional motivation.

As for crazy talk, the most ridiculous I have read on these boards has been yourself likening Teague to Paul Roos :lol: :lol: Your over optimism makes me a bit suspicious, do you work for CFC or slip a few prozacs with every meal ???

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:49 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Ratten had plenty of oppurtunity to limp him to his 100....................not doing so sends a terrible message to the playing group.Its screaming out of heartlessness..............The team doesnt come first. The club comes first. Making little tiny gestures,small significant acts here and there..............thats what makes your club.It sets the tone. And what our great club has done to Brad Fisher is a despicable shameless bastard act. There is a massive diferance between ruthless and callous.


+ 1

Saved me the effort of articulating

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:22 am 
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The pies seem professional. Mick seems ruthless. They were single-mindedly campaigning for their first flag in 20 years. And they got Fraser to his 200th when it was clear he wasn't in their plans for e rest of the season at all.

I see it as a combination of callousness and poor planning for Fish to be stuck on 99. Personally I wouldn't be lauding it as some kind of indication that our club is now totally professional in every respect.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:24 am 
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He was unlucky with injuries but wouldn't have played 50 games for a top eight side.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:43 am 
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JohnM wrote:
The pies seem professional. Mick seems ruthless. They were single-mindedly campaigning for their first flag in 20 years. And they got Fraser to his 200th when it was clear he wasn't in their plans for e rest of the season at all.

I see it as a combination of callousness and poor planning for Fish to be stuck on 99. Personally I wouldn't be lauding it as some kind of indication that our club is now totally professional in every respect.


Yep Mick told Leigh Brown in Round 21 make sure the match review panel give you a week so we can get Josh his 200th game. Fish would have got his 100th game if he did not do his knee.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:59 am 
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JohnM wrote:
The pies seem professional. Mick seems ruthless. They were single-mindedly campaigning for their first flag in 20 years. And they got Fraser to his 200th when it was clear he wasn't in their plans for e rest of the season at all.

I see it as a combination of callousness and poor planning for Fish to be stuck on 99. Personally I wouldn't be lauding it as some kind of indication that our club is now totally professional in every respect.


Thats a bit of revisionism.
If Adelaide beat Colonwood in rd 21, josh would never have got his 200. Rd 22 was a dead rubber for them. We never had a dead rubber.
Imagine if Fish was handed a game and the Tiges or Essendon* rolled us. The screams would have been deafening,

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:11 am 
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my two cents wrote:
club29 wrote:
Thats crazy talk. No confidence in himself for not playing a bloke who wasnt part of the future and didnt fit our game style in a must win game just so this player can get to 100. Sounds like you are more confused than "the lot in charge".


Getting Fish to 100 games would have been a recognition of loyalty and performance on and off the field. A more secure coach would have had the confidence in his game plan and players to easily beat a bottom 4 team like Richmond. In fact, Ratten could have used Fish's 100th game as an additional motivation.

As for crazy talk, the most ridiculous I have read on these boards has been yourself likening Teague to Paul Roos :lol: :lol: Your over optimism makes me a bit suspicious, do you work for CFC or slip a few prozacs with every meal ???


I did apologise about the 'crazy talk' comment in a later post. If you missed it am sorry. I didnt mean it to come across as harsh more just a throw away line that if said verbally would have just flown by unoticed.

The Roos/Teague call was not as you stated it. If i did say it how you think then that would be crazy talk i agree and would probably have had something to do with the prozacs.

I disagree with your Ratts / confidence/ fisher talk though. Like saying if Malthouse was confident in his gameplan he would have given Presti a spot in the grand final in recognition of his loyalty and performance on and off the field.

I dont blame Ratts for fisher not getting his 100. Nothing to be suspicious about.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:00 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
If Adelaide beat Colonwood in rd 21, josh would never have got his 200. Rd 22 was a dead rubber for them. We never had a dead rubber.
Imagine if Fish was handed a game and the Tiges or Essendon* rolled us. The screams would have been deafening,

I agree.
Also Fraser was fighting for Leigh Brown's spot in the side - not much difference between these 2 players.

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