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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:55 pm 
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kezza wrote:
A couple of posters on BF, usually with pretty good mail, saying that Cunners, Marchbank and Martin will not be offered new contracts.


I"d be concerned if they were .

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 Post subject: List Management 2024
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His trades have been ok.
He has snagged a couple of rookies.
His draft selections have been garbage.
I have watched every VFL game for a very long time you can see the young players who have AFL attributes and we currently don't have 1
Ollie Holland who struggles with game awareness and doesn't have explosive pace holds his spot in the team because there is no one else.
Okeefe if he stays fit might make it.
And this time 12 months ago Fogarty was heading for the scrap heap. He has come in and filled a roll but could easily end up back on the scrap heap.
Just do your selves a favour and watch the last 3 VFL games and make your assumptions on what you see.
You can develop size and speed you can also teach kicking but if you have not got game awareness don't waste your time. We have to many with no game awareness and no intensity


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:20 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
His trades have been ok.
He has snagged a couple of rookies.
His draft selections have been garbage.
I have watched every VFL game for a very long time you can see the young players who have AFL attributes and we currently don't have 1
Ollie Holland who struggles with game awareness and doesn't have explosive pace holds his spot in the team because there is no one else.
Okeefe if he stays fit might make it.
And this time 12 months ago Fogarty was heading for the scrap heap. He has come in and filled a roll but could easily end up back on the scrap heap.
Just do your selves a favour and watch the last 3 VFL games and make your assumptions on what you see.
You can develop size and speed you can also teach kicking but if you have not got game awareness don't waste your time. We have to many with no game awareness and no intensity


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Lack of tenacity and aggression from our youngsters is the concern .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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and speed.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:41 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
His trades have been ok.
He has snagged a couple of rookies.
His draft selections have been garbage.
I have watched every VFL game for a very long time you can see the young players who have AFL attributes and we currently don't have 1
Ollie Holland who struggles with game awareness and doesn't have explosive pace holds his spot in the team because there is no one else.
Okeefe if he stays fit might make it.
And this time 12 months ago Fogarty was heading for the scrap heap. He has come in and filled a roll but could easily end up back on the scrap heap.
Just do your selves a favour and watch the last 3 VFL games and make your assumptions on what you see.
You can develop size and speed you can also teach kicking but if you have not got game awareness don't waste your time. We have to many with no game awareness and no intensity


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Hard to argue against that last paragraph, even though the VFL team is a rudderless ship.

It’s a bit of a stretch to play sliding doors with the draft picks and find ourselves significantly better off.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:52 pm 
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Don;t agree with the doomsdayers, but if our list has a weakness, it is speed in the midfield. We only have Walsh and 1st year player Watson.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Sydney Blue wrote:
His trades have been ok.
He has snagged a couple of rookies.
His draft selections have been garbage.
I have watched every VFL game for a very long time you can see the young players who have AFL attributes and we currently don't have 1
Ollie Holland who struggles with game awareness and doesn't have explosive pace holds his spot in the team because there is no one else.
Okeefe if he stays fit might make it.
And this time 12 months ago Fogarty was heading for the scrap heap. He has come in and filled a roll but could easily end up back on the scrap heap.
Just do your selves a favour and watch the last 3 VFL games and make your assumptions on what you see.
You can develop size and speed you can also teach kicking but if you have not got game awareness don't waste your time. We have to many with no game awareness and no intensity


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I get your point of disappointment but you have to look at the body of work as a whole, not be selective.
I don't share your sentiments. I watch all the VFL, and I'm not taken by many, but they're only young.
Fogarty came good. Like Jones did. Resurrection, penny dropped, change of position, change of coach... all influence outcome.

Did you watch much of the TAC, under 18's?
Ollie was taken at pick 11 for a reason.
He played a different role. His running forward of centre was impressive.
Maybe he's asked to do too much for a 19yo body?
Ollie wasn't taken for explosive pace so he hasn't failed his backers on that front, but he was quicker than most....maybe 11th fastest? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Don;t agree with the doomsdayers, but if our list has a weakness, it is speed in the midfield. We only have Walsh and 1st year player Watson.


Wilson?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:10 pm 
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kezza wrote:
A couple of posters on BF, usually with pretty good mail, saying that Cunners, Marchbank and Martin will not be offered new contracts.


We probably feel that chapter should close, and good to have behind us. Not many would argue with that.

I came to post our dire need for a ready made CHB, or close to the finished product, better than Marchbank, and Kemp, and Gov.

The other 2 often injured players, Gov and Williams accepted club offers to stay on the list.
Marchy, Martin and Cunners give us $1M in cap space, and open up 3 spots.

We also have a Round 1 pick 2024, and if we don't want to use it on Walker next year (as is that the year after?) the 2025 pick.
I think the AFL will relax the rules with future trades too.

I heard early this year from one of those club functions if there's a target we need out there who wants to come over we can make that happen. Salary squeeze is controllable.
A Forward Ruck was spoken of, way before TDK kicked 3 against GWS, we do need to add another Saady like specimen and a dangerous small forward...a quicker one.

But, as a priority, can we PLEASE TRADE IN a CHB to help Weitering and Carlton.

We need to fix the spine. We have not replaced Jones. Young is not the answer.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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The loss against Port Adelaide by 14 points was a tale of 2 halves.
We showed what we can do in the first half.
The 5 day break may have been a reason for our fade out, along perhaps with some baffling positional moves.
We shouldn't get caught up in it.

We've seen what we can do, and we've had 5 wins in a row. That's our reality.
We pick our list based on the best of what we've got.
We can still end up 2nd on the ladder.

Looking for some gaps for the now (a CHB), and in the near (speed) and long future (list transition).
IMO its not outlandish to suggest our first round pick may end up between pick 18-22.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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bondiblue wrote:
The loss against Port Adelaide by 14 points was a tale of 2 halves.
We showed what we can do in the first half.
The 5 day break may have been a reason for our fade out, along perhaps with some baffling positional moves.
We shouldn't get caught up in it.

We've seen what we can do, and we've had 5 wins in a row. That's our reality.
We pick our list based on the best of what we've got.
We can still end up 2nd on the ladder.

Looking for some gaps for the now (a CHB), and in the near (speed) and long future (list transition).
IMO its not outlandish to suggest our first round pick may end up between pick 18-22.


after watching this round of footy, we are a fair bit behind some other teams here.

based on the right now, the pies will be a huge obstacle, and the hawks look to be an insurmountable one - they have all the ingredients to be our kryptonite; fast, spread, ferocious attack on the ball and go back to front and on goal in seconds

and we're not even talking in the league of dogs and gws and the ways they expose us.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Hawks only one game behind us, Jesus h christ it beggars belief


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:53 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
i guess if there was just 3 or 4 from that list who could pinch hit in the afl team through necessity, we'd have more faith in the development and draft capabilities of the club.

i was hoping moir would be ready to slot in by now. missing martin and williams (predictable, at the least) his development was pretty important imo. espesh bcos he was drafted as someone who could make impact instantly.


i agree braithy - moir is the strangest pick, for our first pick last draft. i was confused at the time, and i'm no less confused now. i dont watch the ressies, but i read every report and he seems quite invisible

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Hawks only one game behind us, Jesus h christ it beggars belief


the new holding the ball rules and the hawks speed means they will take us to the cleaners. our bigger bodies and stoppage game has been crippled by the new interpretations of the rules. i can see them replacing us in the 8 if we lose to collingwood

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 Post subject: List Management 2024
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Hawks will be coming off 2 consecutive travels when we play them.



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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Hawks will be coming off 2 consecutive travels when we play them.



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So, we are screwed then?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
The loss against Port Adelaide by 14 points was a tale of 2 halves.
We showed what we can do in the first half.
The 5 day break may have been a reason for our fade out, along perhaps with some baffling positional moves.
We shouldn't get caught up in it.

We've seen what we can do, and we've had 5 wins in a row. That's our reality.
We pick our list based on the best of what we've got.
We can still end up 2nd on the ladder.

Looking for some gaps for the now (a CHB), and in the near (speed) and long future (list transition).
IMO its not outlandish to suggest our first round pick may end up between pick 18-22.


after watching this round of footy, we are a fair bit behind some other teams here.

based on the right now, the pies will be a huge obstacle, and the hawks look to be an insurmountable one - they have all the ingredients to be our kryptonite; fast, spread, ferocious attack on the ball and go back to front and on goal in seconds

and we're not even talking in the league of dogs and gws and the ways they expose us.


So true.

You can only base today's form on today's results.

Along with form, things change on a week to week basis. Nothing stays the same. Form is a fickle thing.

Desire, ruthlessness and support from hard running will help us find our mojo...if we do. I think we will by Finals.

You will hear the sound "click" when it does turn around. Lets hope it starts this week.

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CK95 wrote:
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So, we are screwed then?



Nah, it'll be close.

Hawks by 75 points

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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
The loss against Port Adelaide by 14 points was a tale of 2 halves.
We showed what we can do in the first half.
The 5 day break may have been a reason for our fade out, along perhaps with some baffling positional moves.
We shouldn't get caught up in it.

We've seen what we can do, and we've had 5 wins in a row. That's our reality.
We pick our list based on the best of what we've got.
We can still end up 2nd on the ladder.

Looking for some gaps for the now (a CHB), and in the near (speed) and long future (list transition).
IMO its not outlandish to suggest our first round pick may end up between pick 18-22.


after watching this round of footy, we are a fair bit behind some other teams here.

based on the right now, the pies will be a huge obstacle, and the hawks look to be an insurmountable one - they have all the ingredients to be our kryptonite; fast, spread, ferocious attack on the ball and go back to front and on goal in seconds

and we're not even talking in the league of dogs and gws and the ways they expose us.


So true.

You can only base today's form on today's results.

Along with form, things change on a week to week basis. Nothing stays the same. Form is a fickle thing.

Desire, ruthlessness and support from hard running will help us find our mojo...if we do. I think we will by Finals.

You will hear the sound "click" when it does turn around. Lets hope it starts this week.



if we're not turning up this saturday night with a see ball, get ball mindset that was voss's calling card in '22-23 when we were fun to watch. i'd go as far to say as the season is not over, but it's on life support.


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to nick Austin we need pace and strength types ,gws recruiters look at aeroabilty and endurance running so no more slow players ,i have been saying we are to slow since we recruited brock maclean from mel


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