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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:34 am 
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Heard Papley just walked laps at training.


He's got little legs. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:25 am 
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To pinch a saying - Harry will play alongside Charlie every game he is fit, and you will like it. :razz:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:29 am 
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Harry is a Coleman medalist and one of the dominant key forwards in the league at his best. The problem is he hasn’t been at his best for a while and has looked super rusty since coming back from injury. He seems to have lost his contested marking which was his biggest strength when he first broke out. Sometimes I wonder if he’s bulked up too much and lost some of his athleticism and ability to get separation and take the ball at it’s highest point. Maybe he’s just out of form

Also when Harry doesn't perform it appears to adversely affect the confidence of the entire team. I can't think of many occasions recently where Harry played poorly and the team won - it's almost like we are a better chance of winning without him in the side. No doubt Harry will be selected for the Swans final however I hope he can turn things around quickly.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 12:23 pm 
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Still 7 days out so grain of salt etc but the forecast for Friday has improved rain wise. Low chance of any rain - under a mm.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:01 pm 
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Was in at the club this morning and the atmosphere was unreal. The boys were very relaxed (as you'd expect a bunch of 20-somethings to be) and a host of former stars from the 70s, 80s and 90s were there. Exciting times!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:20 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Heard Papley just walked laps at training.


He's got little legs. :wink:

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One way or another someone is going to wish that the deal was done a few odd seasons ago.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:30 pm 
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i want to see a fwd line of Gov ,Charlie, Harry ,go for it all depending on swans forward line about gov move .


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:35 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Heard Papley just walked laps at training.


He's got little legs. :wink:

Regards Cazzesman



One way or another someone is going to wish that the deal was done a few odd seasons ago.


:lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:45 pm 
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It's just a massive decision for the MC to make, isn't it? I was concerned last week when we only played TDK. I'm sure Vossy's thinking was that we would have a look at what Harry could do. We know that outcome. Harry in a CHF who will run up to the wing and take those clutch marks when needed. Must be in the team. Agree with others that SOS is the answer but he won't be there against the Swans. Agree we are too top heavy with Pitto and TDK. I don't know the answer....



The answer to me is easy. Harry needs to grow a pair, knock a few over and make opponents fear getting in his way. He needs to play like it means the world to him.

Pretty simple really.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:49 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Career stats
Charlie 107 games 221 goals
Harry 105 games 201 goals

Charlie is regarded as the best forward in the comp
Harry is not far behind him based on those numbers


Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.
Harry has been working up the ground all year something you fail to acknowledge.
The vast majority of his marks and possessions have come outside the forward fifty.
We need to enter these finals with 2 tall forwards and 2 rucks if we don't we will get slaughtered.
Last week when Harry was running around pretending to be a ruckman this freed up one of the tall backs who went to Martin who got a bath.
We are a contested stoppage team so we need our ruckman to do bollocking work around the ball.
If we insist on playing Harry as 2nd ruck you are causing Charlie to get double teamed and Martin to attract a better opponent.
You are a smart man BV and even you would have realised that when Harry was kicking badly that Voss moved him to the true centre half forward position so he was contributing up the field.
No 1 player in the comp for marks down the line.
Now put your bullshit Harry hatred away and enjoy the finals with Pitto TDK Harry and Charlie playing

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 4:19 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Career stats
Charlie 107 games 221 goals
Harry 105 games 201 goals

Charlie is regarded as the best forward in the comp
Harry is not far behind him based on those numbers


Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.
Harry has been working up the ground all year something you fail to acknowledge.
The vast majority of his marks and possessions have come outside the forward fifty.
We need to enter these finals with 2 tall forwards and 2 rucks if we don't we will get slaughtered.
Last week when Harry was running around pretending to be a ruckman this freed up one of the tall backs who went to Martin who got a bath.
We are a contested stoppage team so we need our ruckman to do bollocking work around the ball.
If we insist on playing Harry as 2nd ruck you are causing Charlie to get double teamed and Martin to attract a better opponent.
You are a smart man BV and even you would have realised that when Harry was kicking badly that Voss moved him to the true centre half forward position so he was contributing up the field.
No 1 player in the comp for marks down the line.
Now put your bullshit Harry hatred away and enjoy the finals with Pitto TDK Harry and Charlie playing



Don't be upset Syd. You're the one who originally quoted the goal kicking comparison stats as some form of validation of his performance. Not me
Now you're arguing why goal kicking stats aren't relevant and blaming me for it. :lol:
This is like a 3 stooges episode. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

BTW. No.1 player in the comp for marks down the line. Where did you get that stat from?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 4:27 pm 
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Hey Blue Vain
Having a slow day in Busselton W.A and what do you do
Go on TC
Good to see your still pissing posters off
I agree
McKay needs to grow some balls
I can’t believe their offering 800000 for his twin brother
He has the same problem as his brother

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Do we play Harry or Pitto?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 4:37 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Career stats
Charlie 107 games 221 goals
Harry 105 games 201 goals

Charlie is regarded as the best forward in the comp
Harry is not far behind him based on those numbers


Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.
Harry has been working up the ground all year something you fail to acknowledge.
The vast majority of his marks and possessions have come outside the forward fifty.
We need to enter these finals with 2 tall forwards and 2 rucks if we don't we will get slaughtered.
Last week when Harry was running around pretending to be a ruckman this freed up one of the tall backs who went to Martin who got a bath.
We are a contested stoppage team so we need our ruckman to do bollocking work around the ball.
If we insist on playing Harry as 2nd ruck you are causing Charlie to get double teamed and Martin to attract a better opponent.
You are a smart man BV and even you would have realised that when Harry was kicking badly that Voss moved him to the true centre half forward position so he was contributing up the field.
No 1 player in the comp for marks down the line.
Now put your bullshit Harry hatred away and enjoy the finals with Pitto TDK Harry and Charlie playing



Don't be upset Syd. You're the one who originally quoted the goal kicking comparison stats as some form of validation of his performance. Not me
Now you're arguing why goal kicking stats aren't relevant and blaming me for it. :lol:
This is like a 3 stooges episode. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

BTW. No.1 player in the comp for marks down the line. Where did you get that stat from?
The champion data bloke mentioned it either on radio or a podcast a few weeks back.
He is up there for contested marks and marks on a lead and takes more marks outside 50.
So I can only assume he is right

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 4:37 pm 
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Do we play Harry or Pitto?
Both

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Do we play Harry or Pitto?
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TDK as tactical sub for after half time?

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jezzarules wrote:
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jezzarules wrote:
Do we play Harry or Pitto?
Both

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TDK as tactical sub for after half time?
We don't have a Gawn type ruckman who drifts back to help out and goes forward and clunks them and wins hit out to advantage. So Melbourne dont need 2 rucks.Our 2 are lucky if they catch a cold.
But where both are better than gawn is following up after the initial ruck contest either by blocking or tackling or knocking it out.
This is taxing so you need 2.
Play them both

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Sydney Blue wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Do we play Harry or Pitto?
Both

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TDK as tactical sub for after half time?
We don't have a Gawn type ruckman who drifts back to help out and goes forward and clunks them and wins hit out to advantage. So Melbourne dont need 2 rucks.Our 2 are lucky if they catch a cold.
But where both are better than gawn is following up after the initial ruck contest either by blocking or tackling or knocking it out.
This is taxing so you need 2.
Play them both

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out of curiosity Syd...

how do you feel about our winning % and how we've looked in those tough losses when we tried to play harry, pittonet and tdk?


through my eyes, it doesn't work. we lose defensive pressure playing all three - and our 9 game win streak was a product of hungry, fast, swarming defensive pressure.


one of those big three has to miss if we want to play that hunting, contested high energy brand of footy (which other teams struggle to go toe-to-toe with us over 4 qtrs)



harry's effort in the GWS isn't worthy of a start in finals ... constantly hands on hips, out on his feet and unable to be even competitive at times in the 2nd half.

i often wonder, if harry doesn't go down with his knee, are we even sitting here waiting for our first final in 10yrs?


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Sydney Blue wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Do we play Harry or Pitto?
Both

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TDK as tactical sub for after half time?
We don't have a Gawn type ruckman who drifts back to help out and goes forward and clunks them and wins hit out to advantage. So Melbourne dont need 2 rucks.Our 2 are lucky if they catch a cold.
But where both are better than gawn is following up after the initial ruck contest either by blocking or tackling or knocking it out.
This is taxing so you need 2.
Play them both

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If one is sub they only have to manage for half game or so and we're not risking being short a runner because we'd be playing an extra one in the starting 22.

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