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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:00 am 
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Agreed Rexy but the witch hunt has started - press and carlton bashers smell blood


I see it a much bigger picture issue than a single player getting a suspension.

If the players can sustain and carry the pressure they showed on the weekend into future games a suspension to Gibbs won't matter too much. It certainly won't affect our overall season too much, haha.

I want the team to play hard footy, to be ruthless. You need that edge to be able to withstand finals pressure.

Tackling is one way the players can express that. Nobody really thinks Gibbs is a thug, but plenty think he's pretty weak in the contest. A suspension to him for that tackle may have a longer lasting effect on his reputation (in a positive way) than not getting one … so long as he continues being fierce at the contest and tackling his opponents hard.

We've been handbags for way too long. I'll wear a suspension for that tackle if the team keeps working its arse off and the longer-term result is losing that handbag status.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:22 am 
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Great call Camel. For too long we have been laughed at by oppositions for being a little timid and even front runners. What our playing group did on the weekend is line in the sand stuff.
This win was so important more-so than people think. Easiest way to put it in perspective is to think about what a another close loss would have done to the playing group after throwing everything at an opposition. Now they know they can win and hold their own if they play like that. Physiological win this!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:25 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Physiological win this!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:02 pm 
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Anyone else reminded of the Fraser Brown tackle with the Doc's tackle in the last quarter?

You mean the one in that year we lost the grand final?


Yep, the Dean Wallis tackle.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:07 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Physiological win this!


QFT.


Much better than a purely intellectual one.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:24 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Physiological win this!


QFT.


Still trolling Rhino? :roll: I guess that is my fault for not being diligent with spell check but your input is special.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:36 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
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Physiological win this!


QFT.


Still trolling Rhino? :roll: I guess that is my fault for not being diligent with spell check but your input is special.

Don't fret SB. You spelt 'physiological' correctly. Flower 'em.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:40 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Agreed Rexy but the witch hunt has started - press and carlton bashers smell blood


I see it a much bigger picture issue than a single player getting a suspension.

If the players can sustain and carry the pressure they showed on the weekend into future games a suspension to Gibbs won't matter too much. It certainly won't affect our overall season too much, haha.

I want the team to play hard footy, to be ruthless. You need that edge to be able to withstand finals pressure.

Tackling is one way the players can express that. Nobody really thinks Gibbs is a thug, but plenty think he's pretty weak in the contest. A suspension to him for that tackle may have a longer lasting effect on his reputation (in a positive way) than not getting one … so long as he continues being fierce at the contest and tackling his opponents hard.

We've been handbags for way too long. I'll wear a suspension for that tackle if the team keeps working its arse off and the longer-term result is losing that handbag status.


This!
Hawthorn have won 3 flags with a reputation as thugs.
Give me 3 flags and a reputation for rough play, any day!!


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How many close games were we screwed over in last season? It seemed like almost 4-5 games in a row where the umpiring potentially affected the result somehow.

It's about time something went our way in these games.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:50 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Agreed Rexy but the witch hunt has started - press and carlton bashers smell blood


I see it a much bigger picture issue than a single player getting a suspension.

If the players can sustain and carry the pressure they showed on the weekend into future games a suspension to Gibbs won't matter too much. It certainly won't affect our overall season too much, haha.

I want the team to play hard footy, to be ruthless. You need that edge to be able to withstand finals pressure.

Tackling is one way the players can express that. Nobody really thinks Gibbs is a thug, but plenty think he's pretty weak in the contest. A suspension to him for that tackle may have a longer lasting effect on his reputation (in a positive way) than not getting one … so long as he continues being fierce at the contest and tackling his opponents hard.

We've been handbags for way too long. I'll wear a suspension for that tackle if the team keeps working its arse off and the longer-term result is losing that handbag status.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:06 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
Anyone else reminded of the Fraser Brown tackle with the Doc's tackle in the last quarter?


Yep - I thought of that at the time as well :)

First game I have watched for ages this season. What a time to watch one!

My jaw dropped in sheer amazement with what I saw. Running and taking the game on, tacking with purpose, pressure acts, supporting one another and most importantly grinding it out when they came back hard to hold onto the win. In the past we would have laid down and died.

Cripps is a superstar in the making. Big shoes to fill now juddy has gone, but a massive step in the right direction (and no I'm not comparing him to Judd). Nick Graham showed he is worth persisting with and Bell is a beast showing his toughness and ability to break lines and tackles!

As others have said (and John Barker too) that effort and intensity is the standard that should be expected. Lets hope they can maintain it and build on it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:20 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Physiological win this!


QFT.


Still trolling Rhino? :roll: I guess that is my fault for not being diligent with spell check but your input is special.


I agreed with you, Surrey! It was the most physiological win of the season. By far.

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The Rhino wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Physiological win this!


QFT.


Still trolling Rhino? :roll: I guess that is my fault for not being diligent with spell check but your input is special.


I agreed with you, Surrey! It was the most physiological win of the season. By far.


It was definitely the most psychotic game Cripps has ever played!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:25 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Agreed Rexy but the witch hunt has started - press and carlton bashers smell blood


I see it a much bigger picture issue than a single player getting a suspension.

If the players can sustain and carry the pressure they showed on the weekend into future games a suspension to Gibbs won't matter too much. It certainly won't affect our overall season too much, haha.

I want the team to play hard footy, to be ruthless. You need that edge to be able to withstand finals pressure.

Tackling is one way the players can express that. Nobody really thinks Gibbs is a thug, but plenty think he's pretty weak in the contest. A suspension to him for that tackle may have a longer lasting effect on his reputation (in a positive way) than not getting one … so long as he continues being fierce at the contest and tackling his opponents hard.

We've been handbags for way too long. I'll wear a suspension for that tackle if the team keeps working its arse off and the longer-term result is losing that handbag status.


Yep.

And Doc set the tone with almost the first physical contact of the day. He ripped Wingard hard in the marking contest making him hit the deck like sack of spuds.

Gave away 50m and something I would have frowned on just a couple of years ago. We then followed it up with a few more acts of similar aggression and coupled it with hard tackling.

It's now clear that playing nice footy is for losers. All the competitive teams have their " douche on" all the time. Even Sydney have ramped up the cauliflower factor.

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I can't remember a time when our physicality was greater.
We were on the end of something similar a couple of years ago by the juiced up cheats.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:43 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
camelboy wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Agreed Rexy but the witch hunt has started - press and carlton bashers smell blood


I see it a much bigger picture issue than a single player getting a suspension.

If the players can sustain and carry the pressure they showed on the weekend into future games a suspension to Gibbs won't matter too much. It certainly won't affect our overall season too much, haha.

I want the team to play hard footy, to be ruthless. You need that edge to be able to withstand finals pressure.

Tackling is one way the players can express that. Nobody really thinks Gibbs is a thug, but plenty think he's pretty weak in the contest. A suspension to him for that tackle may have a longer lasting effect on his reputation (in a positive way) than not getting one … so long as he continues being fierce at the contest and tackling his opponents hard.

We've been handbags for way too long. I'll wear a suspension for that tackle if the team keeps working its arse off and the longer-term result is losing that handbag status.


Yep.

And Doc set the tone with almost the first physical contact of the day. He ripped Wingard hard in the marking contest making him hit the deck like sack of spuds.

Gave away 50m and something I would have frowned on just a couple of years ago. We then followed it up with a few more acts of similar aggression and coupled it with hard tackling.

It's now clear that playing nice footy is for losers. All the competitive teams have their " douche on" all the time. Even Sydney have ramped up the cauliflower factor.


watching replay, Doc was a hero twice when really needed.
bravo Doc!

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Rexy wrote:
Interesting that Gray passed the concussion test at halftime and it was Port that decided to rest him anyway.
That MUST affect the decision and surely wouldn't result in suspension.

I don't care what the testing procedure said: he was out cold for a moment.

Not winded, 100% concussed. No idea how well he tested, but borderline test result should be disregarded. You don't put a bloke back out there after his brain has either literally come loose inside his skull, or the intracranial equivalent of airbags have failed to dampen the damage below a level of force that would interrupt cellular function long enough to leave him unconscious.

The tests are there to assess in instances where the player is simply stunned, so they can determine if they just got their inner ear rattled a bit and some superficial head trauma, but as soon as eyes start rolling back and blokes completely lose rigidity after impact that's it; they're not coming back on.

To be honest I'd be surprised if he plays next week.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:21 pm 
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As would I, given they have the bye.

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As would I, given they have the bye.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:31 pm 
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As would I, given they have the bye.

:lol:

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