Graham was emergency. Drop McLean, carrots or one of the other plodders for the younger plodder. At least there's the slight chance of him having potential to improve.

And I thought he's been told to fix his offensive game. He'd been to defensively minded and running back. We were telling him he needed to run forward of the ball - because that's what we need: another downhill skier.

offensive cant hurt u with his disposal
and runs around the back picking up kicks but not chasing back

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Still that 22 that played for carlton last night should have beaten the other 22. Poorly coached. Not drilled well enough. Gameplan that lends itself more to tiring our players out rather than adding to our score. Not fit enough.
Someone is in charge of all that. Yes or no???
You can ignore all that. Put on the rose coloured glasses. Justify it in your mind by muttering " 3 players in last 4 drafts " but in the end someone has stuffed up when it comes to getting the best out of the team of blokes that rocked up to the first weeks of preseason.

yes there are.... but u see club

were going to finish where we deserve to finish


so wherever we finish is who we are....

chances are were bottom 4.

ur asking for the tide to be sent the other way and go back where it came from

remember club


no other team has 2 players or 3... from the last 5 seasons drafts chosen in the top 3 rounds

would u call that amazing?????

i do......

when i thought about it yesterday ... i said to myself.... "thats amazing".....

if u have no players pushing through.... youre no going to win many games

actually i think were doing amazingly well with what we have built for ourselves

so no.... i dont agree with u

u also realise... we are one of the very few clubs with no real elite players on our books

copping it from both sides
nothing on our list is great
nothing coming through

were doing amazingly well

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shit players
shit coaching staff
shit board
shit administration
shit culture

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

One more time - Disgraceful, embarrassing performance.
This team was sitting at 4-5 playing against the lowly lions with 1 win.
Excuses about playing lists, etc don't cut it in such a game, even though I don't buy most of these arguments.
Simple this lies with the coaches and 2nd with the players. No excuses!
Coach (premiership coach) at that should have made sure the players were up and ready. Players should have been playing for there collective football lives.
I blame the coach at the end of the day because you don't let a team get ahead of itself again and again and again. Especially for such an experienced person.
Sorry but throwing such dollars at such a person was supposed to fix these types of lapses.

the membership tells the story of where this club is at... if the list doesnt

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..we don't know how to build a list, not just player roles but player mindsets as well..

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We make list management look like a baffling ordeal

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This loss still hurting - been thinking about it nearly all day - maybe because I don't get to many games.

The Lions FFS.

For whatever reason (maybe the fact that a lot of the play seemed to be at the other end from where I was sitting), I couldn't get a handle on our competitiveness levels last night.

Anyone like to put a percentage figure on the elements which led to our loss?:

lack of effort/poor attitude

low skill level/poor execution

poor umpiring

poor coaching?

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

The lack of any quality coming through during the Wayne Hughes tenure must rank as the worst sustained recruitment effort of any club in living memory. It is inconceivable to me how any talent spotter could have pencilled in names like Matthew Watson, Josh Bootsma or Luke Mitchell, when anyone can see they just don't have the basic tools to get anywhere. I'm sorry but how hard can it be. I know being a talent spotter is probably thankless, low paid work, but I'd love to hear one day from our resident expert why he thinks we have been so shit. And that's quite aside from whatever piss weak player development they may have been exposed to.

No depth means extreme fragility, and losses like last nights.

But our soft cocks clearly decided this was one we could cruise through, a weekend in the sunshine, a stroll on the beach, some well deserved R&R. The pathetic start because they weren't switched on, and an even worse effort when 16 points ahead half way through the last when they decided they'd done enough.

Threw it away, weak as piss.

Not surprised by this. I have been a Carlton supporter for a long time and I can work out this groups mindset. They lack a burning desire to win games and many of them have an ego that outweighs their ability.

First bounce ... what does Murphy do ... play for the free kick ... his opponent ... goes for the ball.

Brisbane get their first point ... Simpson kicks in ... short kick to Carrazo ... Carrazo marks and then unnecessarily kicks on his left foot ... straight to a Brisbane player ... the early signs were there for a bad night.

Top heavy forward line ... no brainer that Gartlett should have started given the speed balance that was out of balance.

Lack of two way running ... how many of our players make a running tackle ?

Robinson ... I am over his theatrics ... makes a chest mark look like a difficult assignment ... his triple somersaults at chest marking attempts are comical ... and don't start me on his kicking.

16 points up, we had the chance to bury them but this group don't like the taste of the oppositions blood in their mouths. They are a soft group just happy to be AFL footballers.

And for the coach ... you have shown me nothing.

People knock Ratten but forget that he lost a 99 goalkicker in Fevola during his time and had to find ways to replace it. Had some success with Walker kicking 56 one year ... at least Ratten showed some imagination. Yet to see anything with Malthouse.

I was always a fan of Ratten's imagination in the box. Wasn't afraid to try something. Sure a lot of it was shit - Bower forward, Bower on a wing, Jamison forward, Betts as our CHF, Warnock as our FF, etc, Sometimes it worked though.

The issue though looking back through that time period is that other clubs have been successful by creating a plan that was so simple that even the Mitch Robinson through to the Chris Judd got it, implementing it at every opportunity, not swaying from it the minute they went five goals down, but backing themselves in to execute it, to the point where it became a second nature to those playing week in and week out, and those who slotted in with a handful of games experience looked a seasoned veteran. The best teams have game plans that are more mantras or philosophies, that are so simple that Fox Footy can explain them to Joe Bogan on the couch, yet the most skilled opposition analysts can't break it down on match day.

The only way we explain our game plan is internet blowhards who refer to MM by his first name as if it implies some sort of familiarity, and repeat his Collingwood game plan to us as if its still one in the same.

The game plan changes at 3/4 time when we're down by 5 goals, and we're either prepared to sacrifice long term gains for four points, or we've got players who sulk and want to play the way they like it.

What game plan, is ultimately irrelevant. Everyone will piss and moan unless its that super secret one that kicks 25 goals a game, keeps the opposition to five, and is free flowing with lots of antics and frivolity that make the highlight reel and win cars. Anything else, pfft.

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I'm sick of hearing about building a list.
Sure the scouting hasn't been great, surely the draft picks haven't come out and been sensational, but not too many teams have got drafting right.

But,a lot of the time, there is a system in place for young players to come in and play a role, like they do at geelong and hawks. These players that come in, look great, but they are just playing a role. Take Clinton young out of hawks and he hasn't done much since going to the pies for example.

At Carlton, we are 1.5 years under Malthouse and we still do not have a system. What do we have? We have a long list of excuses and he is pointing the finger at the players. That is fair enough, but this is the same guy saying Carlton had a list to win a flag when he come in.

We keep hearing about a process? what is this process? continue to put in woeful games and rebuild the list so a guy doesn't leave his coaching career as a failure and less funds in his super?.

I really hope we have a big loss and the new board come in and sack Malthouse.

2 years ago, Ratten had to make the top 4 or gonsky. And got hit with a injury plagued team. Right now, l don't think we will finish out of the bottom 4 while malthouse is there. Something is wrong at the club. About a month ago, I still remember Andrew McKay saying in a interview that Mick held a meeting to discuss the game plan with leadership group to see if they were on board. Ofcourse, they said yes. Then he asked the leadership group to speak to the players and come back with answers on whether they agreed with gameplan etc. Of course they said yes. I think it is an absolute joke of a coach to ask his players if they were behind his gameplan. If he has to ask, he knows his game plan isn't working or players are not behind it. Great communication lines between coaching panel and players.

If the list needs to be regenerated, then MM has to go immediately and start searching for the next coach.

As bad as Melbournes list is, they are 20% better than Carlton with Roo's implementing his gameplan.
As bad as Port were 2 years ago, they are 70% better than Carlton now.

Fix it please

As bad a performance as it was, I'd still like to put my MVP votes in but it hasn't been set up yet.

Aah Synbad. All your voluminous posts full of rhetoric and frustration and even vitriol could have been ceased years ago and replaced with this., one, true statement. (I originally wrote 'one, true fact' but Moshe would have been on it in a flash).

You never have to post again because this is the real reflection of the CFC. We have had enough. Even people like me, rusted on for almost sixty of my 63 years have stopped paying memberships because there are other things do do with the money and time. When I think of all the years and all the thousands of dollars I spent on false hopes and false dawns in the form of memberships over the last 20 years, I could weep. I now spend my membership money on live streaming, which is about the same price and I waste only my time getting up at 0130 to see a game like last week's debacle and wonder why I even bother. I do love my footy and I think it's time to realize my beloved Blues are a shambles and just watch the games that look like they'll offer a good spectacle and not break my heart every three weeks.

Whether or not I can actually stop myself is another thing but your statement rings true. They have lost my membership, one I have had for most of the last 40 years, forever. It used to be a donation to the club because for the last thirty of those years I have never been able to go to more than one or two games a year.

I gave a soccer ball to my daughter's under eight team two weeks ago because the team comes from a poor fishing village and I figured a new ball every couple of months would help out. Other expat parents from Canada do stuff like bring back suitcases full of used footy boots when they go home. Well last Tuesday I went to training and the ball I bought, a nice, bright, red and yellow one, was nowhere to be seen. I suspect the coach's neighbor subbed an old one for a new one but I was smarter than him because I deliberately bought one I could recognize. So I asked the coach where the ball was.

"It should be over there", he told me.

So I said.
"Yes, it should be and if you aren't going to use the ball for training, give it back. I didn't donate it for someone's kid to have a new ball."

The moral? if they are going to misuse my balls, (haha) they won't get any more.

Carlton? You've been misusing my money for decades. That's it. No more for you.

And Synbad? Thanks for that great post. You've just summed up my whole feelings and those of thousands of others in one sentence.

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4 games In the first 9 rounds were either Thursday night, Sunday night or Monday night. Couple that with starting the year 0-4 and you have reasons for membership going backwards.
Unfortunately the skewed AFL fixture can have a big impact on memberships and gate takings.
Do you think Carlton requested sunday night games?
Do you realise that carlton made half a million dollars more than the tigers last year with 10k less members?

Just some interesting thoughts re: membership

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the bruce pokies u mean???

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