It's a cathartic outpouring of frustration relating to a guy who has been on the edge of the promised land but has not quite got there.

Will he be Moses or will he be the Messiah?

For all his faults, he does have weapons. Query whether they've been deployed in the right fashion and query whether he's wanted to deploy them.

He needs to stop being treated like a kid. Home truths need to be told to him by his coach, his teammates and probably his own family.

Potential is a dirty word. I'ts up to him to clean it up.

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Can't imagine our playing group pulling him aside like the Geelong players with Ablett unfortunately.

They're more likely to ask him about his last trip to the hairdresser.

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GIBBS is still a very good footballer. He had a shocker last week, but he's no orphan - he's a free agent.

But you're only as good as your last game - so right now he's a worse than a donkey - cause even a donkey can kick straight.

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I think the most galling thing with Gibbs isn't so much the results, its the workrate. Perhaps it's just perception, but quite often it just seems he doesn't give a shit and expects someone else to do the job for him. The number of times I see him jog in chase and not run, or back away from a contest to wait for the cheap handball to pop out, is maddening. The guy clearly has all the talent in the world but seems content to coast on that alone with the occasional moment of clarity where he decides to take the game on (re: 2013 Elim Final).

I agree that home truths need to be told by our leadership group, but I also agree that they won't have the stomach to do so.

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Can't believe all the negativity. Do you guys realise that Gibbs is one of the top 2000 players to play for this club?? Have some respect, FFS!!

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So true he has been pampered far too much and I seriously doubt he'd still be at CFC but for the huge coin and the Sticks influence. This process will sort out if he's a true blue or not, especially as Sticks CFC influence will surely be less from next year.

The negativity I believe is more of an indication of the feeling for the whole team just not Gibbs who at the moment is the scapegoat.

It's too hard to read. If we were successful then we wouldn't be blaming so many players but then if we were any good those players would actually be better... So it is kind of justified to be disappointed with him.

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Have to agree unfortunately.

And therein lies the problem with this club, our leadership is woeful. Judd is not immune from this. For all his qualities, I'm not entirely sure he's a great leader.

At work, there are times I'm not liked. I'm there to get the job done for the company and if you stray away from procedures and practices that do not assist the company, except me to provide feedback saying the same. I'm all for assisting you if you make a mistake and show effort to want to improve from your mistakes, however, I respect that. But there must be accountability.

There is none at CFC at the moment seemingly. Malthouse is the first coach we've had for almost 10 years who isn't afraid of some tough love. It's a pity our administration doesn't do the same.

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No one but that's been the general consensus around Carlton for the last fifty billion years (exaggerated for effect ) in these types of situations.

What I was hinting at before was to question whether Gibbs is holding out to be at Carlton at the business end of a rebuild or is he itching for a premiership? The problem is that retaining Gibbs and rebuilding may not be mutually inclusive. In other words - perform or piss off!

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Im with Maclure 100% on this one.

If he stays, we know what we get, a good - sometimes very good footballer. But i feel we've seen his ceiling.

As much as i love Bryce, as a club, we are FAR better off with him moving elsewhere.

We'll have 2 picks in the first round... probably 2 in the top 10. We can then attack the draft PROPERLY or trade for one of GWS young talls.

These are the sort of the tough calls successfull clubs make.... but we have failed to. Like trading Kruezer a few years back instead of our other 2 rucks etc.

I just cant see the long term benefit to the club for keeping Bryce.

Guys need to put the emotional side out of the decision. I love the guy too, but him staying isnt a good BUSINESS decision.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

with our current board and ceo, i expect the club will keep gibbs ,double kruezers salary and use our first round pick on a 183 cm outside midfielder with poor footskills

Gibbs is staying.

Him signing is a formality.

Im just saying the club would be better off using the 700K elsewhere.

Where would we use the 700k, if we can't even keep Gibbs then who the hell else would want to come to Carlton - isn't that the theme around here...

Time for club and player to move on. Too introverted, inconsistent, ceiling reached, need to purge the list of these types, too many on our list stacked and need a balance of both.

Bank the comp pick as trade bait, or draft for longer term need.

What will happen is we will sign him for 600k to 700k. Internally, he's a champion of the club #beingsarcastic #notworthmorethan500k

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

I remember when Murphy injured his collar bone in that collision with Dangerfield. As the contact was made I thought gees I hope that's Gibbs going in hard at the contest, but it wasn't and rarely is.

If he could become the sort of player that put himself on the line like that then I'd want to keep him. If not we are better spending our money elsewhere.

A chance to atone for past sins. Let him walk. An extra top 10 pick + 700k to spend next year if we wish. Hard call that in the long run will benefit the club.

WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Club will sign for 700k, carlton to continue to flounder for the next 6-8 years with weak, uninspired list management.

My great hope for Malthouse is that he can build us a quality team by the time he is finished. I don't care about the results now - he knows he is firmly tied down to a sinking ship. Hopefully he can save it.

Mick on 5AA during the week said he wants Gibbs to stay because he believes He can build the team around Gibbs he is that important.