Well finally that's settled. How we allowed a 60 yr old, regressive and egotistical old bastard like that to destroy our club through years of poor drafting, recruiting and development is beyond me.
SACK HIM NOW.
I thought you were being sarcastic* Psych but now believe you've seen the light











* Actually, you've decided to follow one of Pagan's famous rules...good move!!

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

What about the great man himself, Alfred E. Neuman

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

360 people must read TC, we have been saying this for years.

Mm was offeored a 3 year contract,
My summation on MMs appointment was to deliver a flag within that timeframe
given he had a list oozing high draft choices he has something tangible to do that with.

That's fair enough. But the list turns out to have holes,
We new that, plus we've discovered some duds.

Doesn't mean we won't see a flag within his contract period...maybe the year after he retires.
I doubt it, but we might if;

we can make a player out of Casboult till fill the 2nd ruck role/ improve Hampsons marking
We can get the team fit enough to play 120 minutes
a KP for the spine
2 hard at it Midfielders

I think that's possible (not Hammers marking though).
The list is not shot. It has gaps.
And we can't afford to make any mistakes with drafting trading and recruitment in general

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Not so much a gap, more like one of these:

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Yep, sports science is so 90's.

Redback I don't know why you would let ratten coach the extra year when after 5 he was a disaster. An exhaustive process would have thrown up hinkley or mm. Saying there are no limits is not guaranteeing a premiership. If winning the cup is your criteria for a good coach, there a 17 bad coaches every year. Intact he may not win one in his time but he should be judged on whether we are positioned to challenge before he leaves. You just won't face that this year is a reflection of ratters inability to develop players and poor recruiting and how you can vehemently attack a guy based on age and after 20 games is beyond me. In fact it is probably a reflection of some inherent bias on your behalf

Well MM has turned the players in believing they are mediocre. Can't argue with that.
He is a damn good coach and were on the correct path!

Mad Mick's obsession with Cloke and Dawes.What a joke Warnock Rowe and Henderson all in the forward line together against bulldogs

Actually King said its not the current OR previous coaches fault.
But lets only report the part that suits our argument.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

That's it? That's all you've got?
Mick has a strength and conditioning coach so that makes him a progressive coach?

Lets get things straight. For the record, I dont want Malthouse sacked. I didnt approve of the methodology to appoint him as its another shortcut by an incompetent board.
What I do want is for him to give us every opportunity to succeed. The most successful teams of the past 8 years are Sydney and Geelong. Both teams attribute a large degree of their success to the leading teams pholosophy of everyone taking responsibility.
If its good enough for the best teams, it should be good enough for us but Mick wont have it. Why not, because he wont relinquish any of his power to the player group.
We need a full and comprehensive review of the club. At Collingwood, Mick refused to have his role reviewed. In fact, he refused to participate in any aspect of the football department review. We cant have people being that precious if we want to improve. Everyone has to be on the same page doing whatever they can to improve the club as a whole.

With regard to on field, you cant build a list to suit a gameplan. You have to build a gameplan to suit the list. By the time Mick gets half the players he wants to suit his gamestyle, the game would have evolved significantly. Even Eddie McGuire said their 2010 game plan had gone from "revolutionary to middle class" in 12 months.

If Mick can show a willingness to change in those ares, fantastic. If he cant and it reduces the clubs ability to improve, everyone should be pissed off about it. As we saw with Ratten, you cant compromise in any areas. You have to do everything right to have sustained success. That's what I expect. As a member, I dont think thats too much to ask.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

..incorrect.. ..your statement implies that the players are not mediocre, and he's somehow dragging them down.. ..if anything, it's been the other way around for too long.. .thinking we're better than we actually are, and the drive to knuckle down and improve and work hard has been lacking cos too many thought they were already good enough..

..at the worst, MM and Juddy have thrown a bucket of cold water on the group, to wake them up, look themselves hard in the mirror, and own up to where they are and also to what is required to become as good as they used to enjoy thinking they were..

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We knew the list was not capable a couple of years ago.

While everyone was going on about the coaches tactics and trying to off him they missed the point. " I think you will find Malthouse will get the best out of this list. Its not the players fault its Ratts he is playing them all wrong. Malthouse will sort it out." was all we heard when critisising the list last year. It was all Ratts fault (noone mentioned the list). He coached from the boundary, he ate lollies, some even talked about his looks saying using him looking like a cartoon character against him. Same posters now blaming the list. Truth has always been Ratts put his faith in the wrong players.

Now we look at Malthouse and hope like hell he puts in a better 2nd year at the club that the first. Because his first year has been a disaster. How he let us go into this season with this list was joke. Stars aligning and all that. Ego got the better of him i think. That or just plain lost the plot.

Big mistake getting Malthouse onboard.


I have no faith in him after that.

..taking this season to drag everything out into the light, to better turn the list over and ensure everyone involved is 100% clear of where we're at and how much work we need to put in.. ..was the only way, otherwise there'd have remained doubt, and some 'factions' continuing to pump us up, both on and off field..

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Yeah just like he turned the mediocre pack of plodders at Collingwood into Premiers.

I could write an interim report if that all made you feel better?

MJ you asked me I answered as honestly as I could they are my beliefs right or wrong.
I don’t need to be told be Micky or the media what our goals should be and were our list is.
If that was the case I’d be like a yoyo from micky appointment and the media changes their mind week by week.
There are a couple of points you have mentioned that aren’t exactly on the ball.
Firstly Ratten’s 5 years by your criteria wasn’t a disaster because he took a wooden spooner to the finals within 2 years and 3 from 5 making him more successful that at least half the other coach’s.
Secondly and more importantly why are you still blaming Ratten for this year’s disaster? He’s not coaching or selecting the side or criticizing his players in public.
Thirdly I’m pretty sure there were more than two candidates in the football world for our coaching appointment.
Has our list got deficiencies, definitely?
Is this year a waste by any measure, absolutely?
Has mick coached this side to its ability, !@#% No?

I don't see the point in getting worked up over the coach in his first year - he is the least of our worries...just take a look at the quality of our list!

If you accept the "state" we are in....i'd much rather have the list in Malthouse's hands rather than Ratten...

Malthouse has clearly mismanaged and damaged the playing group ... unfortunately we are stuck with him for the next 2 years. The spin has been amazing ... he is truly the king of PR.

And now we rebuild

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

The list should have got smashed to pieces last Sept. More changes should have been made at the end of 2011 also.