Good article.
As I said earlier, regardless of who coaches the club next year, I would hope that they are provided with 100% support from those associated with the club.

@ Jake Niall - what a load of bollocks.

We gave Ratten all the resources he or any other Senior Coach could have wanted - and Jake Niall you have acknowleged this yourself in your own article.

Complete faith is up to the Coach to deliver - the side has been undeniably flaky over the past 4 years.

Where are the wins against top 4 sides?

Where are our consistent run of wins - 4+ wins in a row???

We win a 2 lose 1, we win 3 then lose 1. We delivery 7 wins 4 losses in one half of a season only to delivery 4 wins and 7 losses in the next half of a season.

If alone Ratten had of delivered a side that could win 4 or 5 games in a row on a regular basis, found a way to beat Hawthorn then he would have had all the faith from everyone who could have wanted.

But seriously Jake Niall - what writing/reporting standards have you been given at your paper to live up to, as we know clearly not much.

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Fair enough Cazz but the board needs to go as well. Third coach in a row to go and we have to pay out his contract. The club stuffs up too much.
Its a disgrace the way its run. Its run by morons who must go as I have indictated ad nauseum and will continue to be like shit until they go.

'fair enough' would have been sufficient

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Far from defending the board, they're hardly flying solo when it comes to sacking coaches before contracts are over.

And if you run through the other clubs you'll find tapping the shoulder (or falling out and the coach walking) once every 3-5 years is not that abnormal.

As it is, if you include Britts, that's three coaches moved on since 2002, or as verbs pointed out, we're working on 5 year intervals. Hardly trigger happy.

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Ohhhhhh, you mean football. ?

Nuffin much.

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So your happy with all this.

Malthouse was sounded out by the club last year. The board were split on Ratten then. Kernahan reaction to the Malthouse question is so embarrasing. We are a rabble. Stop comparing us to other clubs. Its the way Carlton do business. The fossil like way to run a footy. CB. KK.

Face facts. It doesnt work anymore. Paying out Ratten alone will cost us 3000 memberships from the supporters. The members. Thats why I am not a member. They appointed the wrong bloke. Now we have to pay him 650000 to sit on his arse. And judging by Kernahan's reaction, Malthouse is a done deal. The club is run by morons and pricks.

I thought it was a pretty good article actually. It’s certainly something I have sensed as a supporter – a lack of faith in Ratten despite the improvement we saw in our performance. Last year was probably the best example of that.

I don’t get the point you’re trying to make. Niall was saying that despite less success than Ratts, a guy like Hardwick has had more faith instilled in him by Richmond. Where are Richmond’s consistent runs of 4 wins in a row?

Probably 95% of coaches get sacked, either before their contract is up, or when it is up. Very few leave on their own terms. Here's a list of each clubs' most recent ex-coaches. The ones sacked mid-season (or in Schimma's case, pre-season) were obviously sacked before their contract was up. Those sacked post-season I don't know...


Adelaide

Craig – sacked mid-season
Ayres – sacked mid-season

Brisbane

Matthews – retired
Northey – sacked mid-season
Walls – told he wouldn't be reappointed
Dare – sacked?
Knights – sacked mid-season

Collingwood

Malthouse – effectively sacked
Shaw – sacked mid-season (coached out season)
Matthews – sacked end of season
Rose - ?
Cahill - ?
Hafey – sacked mid-season

Essendon*

Knights - sacked
Sheedy – sacked

Fremantle

Harvey – sacked (paid out)
Connolly – sacked mid-season
Drum – sacked mid-season
Neesham – from memory sacked

Geelong

Thompson – resigned
Ayres – quit when board refused to offer a contract extension
Blight – ?
Devine - sacked
Hafey – new he was going to be sacked, jumped to Sydney

Hawthorn

Schwab – sacked mid-season
Judge – resigned
Knights – sacked
Joyce – sacked

Melbourne

Bailey – sacked mid-season
Daniher – sacked mid-season
Balme – sacked mid-season
Northey – resigned

North

Laidley – resigned mid-season
Pagan – resigned
Schimmelbusch – sacked pre-season

Port

Primus – sacked mid-season
Williams – sacked mid-season
Cahill – quit?

Richmond

Wallace – sacked mid-season
Frawley – sacked
Gieschen – sacked
Walls – sacked

St Kilda

Lyon – resigned
Thomas – sacked
Blight – sacked mid-season
Watson – sacked
Alves – sacked

Sydney

Roos – resigned
Eade – sacked mid-season
Barassi – retired?
Buckenara – sacked mid-season

West Coast

Judge – sacked
Malthouse – resigned
Todd - ?
Alexander – sacked

Dogs

Eade – sacked
Rohde – sacked
Wallace – resigned
Joyce – sacked
Wheeler - sacked

*edited for typo

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

There's an un-written rule about giving new coach's 3 years to build a team, especially if they're starting further behind than others.

The tigers will turn feral next year if they don't make finals...

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Sticks' response to the Malthouse question was pathetic! Hadn't he thought that question would come up? They deny Malthouse's situation had any bearing on the decision, now it kind of did?

Ratten was outstanding today, good luck to him.

Just an aside, while its true we haven't beaten a top 4 team this year, that's only because we beat Collingwood twice. If we'd lost one of the collingwood games we would ave beaten a top 4 team

This is why Brett Ratten will not be coaching Carlton in 2013, end of story.

AFL coaching is a cut throat business - high risk, high stakes. They deserve the big coin they're paid, but with that comes accountability and an acceptable level of performance.

My issue is being sacked with time left on the contract. Its the board that makes the call. Not great business. Its happened 3 times in a row.
Its simply not good enough.And its what you get when you dont do enough research and groundwork before appointing him.

So we are throwing cash at Malthouse. Dumb Dumb Dumb

Mick can coach but he is 60. Hiis record is 3 flags in 30 years of coaching. He has shown what an egostical prick he can be and how he puts the himself before the club.based on his efforts at the pies last year.

There may be a better candidate to take us forward but the club dont work hard enough to find them.

Its just laughable

When all the emotion settles down I really believe that Ratten would look upon this as a very positive time in his career.

He was appointed to a role at a High Profile club ahead of his time. Worse still it was a club he loved. In reality he wasn't ready. That was always my complaint.

He took over a basket case and played in finals. This year has been tough and I believe his philosophy to coaching will have drastically changed. His belief in development, blooding kids, giving players time to settle will have been altered.

He will now go home, probably discuss with experienced personnel and family what he has done right and wrong. People who know him. He will assess and improve.

He will now get a job with another club (asst or senior coach) and he will be so much better prepared. He will take confidence in how he has performed and the reaction of many.

He is 41. He has only 6 years experience at AFL level. He will get better and in time become a damn good coach and I hope one day he will be back at the club.

FWIW I believe he should go to GWS. A year or two under Sheedy will do him wonders and allow him time and experience. He may well then be ready to step up again. More experienced and better prepared.

Whatever he does I have no doubt he will be successful. I look forward to watching the next chapter of his career. He deserves success.

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A bit like Walls served an apprenticeship at Fitzroy then coached Carlton - I think sometime in the future Ratten will coach Carlton again.

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I remember the Scott boys playing at Brisbane. No way in the world I would of ever thought of them as coaches.

Doing okay now.

So many like it. Blight struggled early as a coach.

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So would you be happy to have him back at CFC in another 3/5/7 years if he went somewhere else in the meantime?

Regards Cazzesman

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That's how I read it.


Even David Parkin acknowledged he was a better more rounded coach in his second stint at Carlton - and I thought his effort getting Fitzroy to a Preliminary final in 1986 Ranks right up there with one of the greatest coaching efforts of all time.

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Definitely. My criticism has always been he was a young coach given a young list. Should never happen.

No one can doubt he has improved over this period but IMO the damage was done and he couldn't win no matter what he did.

Getting away from Carlton will be the best thing for him. He needs to gain experience, knowledge from so many other areas.

Given that he could well develop into a very good coach. I certainly hope he does.

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