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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:25 am 
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I had forgotten about Collins entirely. Might be handy up forward.

The key to stopping Adelaide's back half run is making Johncock accountable. They always go though him. Stop him and it puts pressure on their other back half players to play un-natural games.


If he starts back. He played up forward last week and was very good.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:47 am 
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In the Herald Sun it states that Waite might be out with a hip injury:

"But key forward Jarrad Waite is in doubt with a hip injury, and decisions are to be made about how many talls the Blues play."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/carlton-has-no-fear-for-big-games-says-brett-ratten/story-e6frf9jf-1226358984384

After reading that, I would think that T-Bird will come in and play CHF in place of Waite. Hope Waite plays though!


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:58 am 
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DoublebluMots2 wrote:
Stone Free wrote:
I had forgotten about Collins entirely. Might be handy up forward.

The key to stopping Adelaide's back half run is making Johncock accountable. They always go though him. Stop him and it puts pressure on their other back half players to play un-natural games.


If he starts back. He played up forward last week and was very good.


Either way, he is their barometer, much like Simmo is for us.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 10:03 am 
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Not too concerned at losing Waite because we can use TBird in that role at CHF,



..just edited these posts to highlight something.. ..not poster specific either dude..

..this idea of it being so easy to replace Waite with Thorny to play our CHF.. ..neither is actually a CHF.. ..Waite is more a tall flanker vs bonafide key position, Thorny is a great loose man 3rd defender, playing well now as a swingman 3rd tall fwd.. ..he's got good hands and provides a target, but doesn't provide structure like a genuine CHF.. ..we're not the only team either, that doesn't play a proper CHF.. ..that's why the interest thru the comp around Cloke is racking up the eager clubs..

..naturally, we have a young kpp that's good fwd and back, better fwd, but as usual we get the wobbly knees and play him down back..

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 10:18 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Carlton to win by 18 pts

Home game
Retribution
Pride
Resolve
Skill
Speed

Rucks
Midfield...Judd Gibbs Murphy Simpson Scotland Robinson Armfield

Must win

What do we stand for....that's what the players will want to show.
Sports Science 101: Desire Will Intensity Back against the wall...amazing ingredients.

Expecting I/C Robinson Armfield Ellard TBird

Go Blues



I hope so BB, and I like your choices there too.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the Worry Room. :?

Queries on Robbo and Waitey is giving me the jitters.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:07 am 
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I still can't believe we're hot favourites with the bookies


Maybe the fact they havent won in Melbourne for 3 years.

Maybe cos the fact the leading goal kicker in the comp is out and we can double team Tippet.

Carlton will win, i have a good feeling about the this game.


Maybe it's because there are hordes of Carlton supporters willing to put their cash on the Blues

Just a theory


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:10 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

Not too concerned at losing Waite because we can use TBird in that role at CHF,



..just edited these posts to highlight something.. ..not poster specific either dude..

..this idea of it being so easy to replace Waite with Thorny to play our CHF.. ..neither is actually a CHF.. ..Waite is more a tall flanker vs bonafide key position, Thorny is a great loose man 3rd defender, playing well now as a swingman 3rd tall fwd.. ..he's got good hands and provides a target, but doesn't provide structure like a genuine CHF.. ..we're not the only team either, that doesn't play a proper CHF.. ..that's why the interest thru the comp around Cloke is racking up the eager clubs..

..naturally, we have a young kpp that's good fwd and back, better fwd, but as usual we get the wobbly knees and play him down back..


I have no problem with anything you suggest.

The reason why I say it's easy to replace Waite is because atm imo he's not playing as the KP, and TBird isn't a KP either.
I wouldn't miss a repeat of Waites performance last week. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Waite play, but if he misses, then at least we have TBird waiting in the wings.

I'm a huge fan for Hendo at CHF, but that's going to have to wait till a McCarthy (or Watson?) comes up, and if a Mitchell can make CHF his own...(or a Cloke...type)... but that's the future.

This weekend we need to have at least a couple of 'big' targets (FF and CHF) in the forwardline and 2 talls in the backline (BP and FB), with the option to have 3 talls down back when Crows load their forwardline with 3 tall targets....as they always do with us. If we're winning in the middle, their 3 talls in their forwardline don't cause any problem for us, but if the Crows do well in the midfield, bring on the support.

We have to win it in the middle. Get that nut before they do to control the game. Our efficiency and handling of the ball has to improve, and if they do that, we should get the points. I think efficiency and clangers have hurt us in the last few weeks, and that has mainly been due to ourguys not handling or expecting the pressure from good AFL teams. I hope the boys have had their wake up call.

The fact it's a home game and we are desperate to erase the previous loss and prove we are focussed on our objective to end in the top 4 gives me mush hope we will win. I'm as nervous as the next supporter, as this is seriously a danger game for us, and we have to lift for our own self esteem and for the poor suffering Carlton supporters...please..

It is up to the boys if we are to win. It's between the ears. I'm sure they know what they have to do.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:15 am 
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Anyone notice, how many times we misjudged the ball in the air last monday night? I found it very odd.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:29 am 
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bondiblue wrote:

This weekend we need to have at least a couple of 'big' targets (FF and CHF) in the forwardline and 2 talls in the backline (BP and FB), with the option to have 3 talls down back when Crows load their forwardline with 3 tall targets....as they always do with us. If we're winning in the middle, their 3 talls in their forwardline don't cause any problem for us, but if the Crows do well in the midfield, bring on the support.

We have to win it in the middle. Get that nut before they do to control the game. Our efficiency and handling of the ball has to improve, and if they do that, we should get the points. I think efficiency and clangers have hurt us in the last few weeks, and that has mainly been due to ourguys not handling or expecting the pressure from good AFL teams. I hope the boys have had their wake up call.



This is how we hoped we would cope with West Coast last year and look how that panned out. We can't rely on our midfield to stop supply. Our contested marking is our one of our massive weaknesses.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:48 am 
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We'll win this and do so quite convincingly.

Who have Adelaide played this year?

Gold Coast - 17th so far this year
Doggies - 13th
Hawthorn - 9th and lost to them
GWS 16th
Port - 15th
Sydney - 5th and only just won
Geelong 10th and looking slow and old.

Only one team in the current 8 and history shows the 8 at round 7 remains pretty settled.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:14 pm 
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[quote="BigKev Ultimately though, and I believe anyone who
has played any sport will know, some days things just work for you and some days they don't.[/quote]

Unfortunately BigKev it seems to happen to us all the time when we need to take the comp from the scruff of the neck.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:14 pm 
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dooky wrote:
Gibbs at start of interview says hes not feeling the pressure, thinks his forms been good, clubs at 5-2. Why can't Bryce just say hes been down on form, will look to improve this week, and team knows they need to be better. It's that simple. Some of these players mindsets are not grounded in reality.


Yep, I reckon that's the main issue as well.

We need that attitude to change. Fast!

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:17 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
I still can't believe we're hot favourites with the bookies

favouritism is determined by the market. If people bet on Carlton, the bookies have to make it less attractive so down go the odds. We're still second faves for the flag behind Hawthorn, who aren't even in the 8. They have the most money in the pool and we have next. It has nothing to do with who the bookies think will win the game/flag/Brownlow after the initial odds are posted unless there is a leak..

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:24 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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Ratts said today that "we just need to apply ourselves and tinker with a couple of little things" :eek: Not sure what the little thing is that he is tinkering with.


Oh, I get that, aren't you clever?

Perhaps Ratts knows a little more about our issues over the last few weeks than you and we don't need to make the wholesale changes people here are looking for.

Better balance in defence.
Plan to free up the stoppages or cope with the congestion.
Free up Murphy and whoever else they tag.


I hope your right but don't you think he could try some of these changes during a game we are losing and not the next week after a full boardroom consultation.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:30 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Anyone notice, how many times we misjudged the ball in the air last monday night? I found it very odd.


Footsteps.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Stone Free wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

This weekend we need to have at least a couple of 'big' targets (FF and CHF) in the forwardline and 2 talls in the backline (BP and FB), with the option to have 3 talls down back when Crows load their forwardline with 3 tall targets....as they always do with us. If we're winning in the middle, their 3 talls in their forwardline don't cause any problem for us, but if the Crows do well in the midfield, bring on the support.

We have to win it in the middle. Get that nut before they do to control the game. Our efficiency and handling of the ball has to improve, and if they do that, we should get the points. I think efficiency and clangers have hurt us in the last few weeks, and that has mainly been due to ourguys not handling or expecting the pressure from good AFL teams. I hope the boys have had their wake up call.



This is how we hoped we would cope with West Coast last year and look how that panned out. We can't rely on our midfield to stop supply. Our contested marking is our one of our massive weaknesses.


I may be missing your point SF,

I thought with so many talls out like Waite, Hampson and Kreuzer, and Jamo half baked and Bower on one leg didn't give us the height to compete against their 4 or 5 monsters which they had parked in the forwardline: Lynch, Kennedy, Darling, Cox and Nic Nat ...5 at one stage actually happened.

I thought our midfield against the Eagles was fantastic, relentless, tough and damn competitive....we only lost by 5 points...and after that game we all wondered if only we had Kreuzer and Waite as forward targets.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:44 pm 
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bluechucky wrote:
We'll win this and do so quite convincingly.

Who have Adelaide played this year?

Gold Coast - 17th so far this year
Doggies - 13th
Hawthorn - 9th and lost to them
GWS 16th
Port - 15th
Sydney - 5th and only just won
Geelong 10th and looking slow and old.

Only one team in the current 8 and history shows the 8 at round 7 remains pretty settled.


Crows beat Carlton in the preseason half game comp.
We had 13 regulars out in that game IIRC.
We got thrashed by the Lions too, and we all know what happened when we played them in the H&A at their ground.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:49 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Stone Free wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

This weekend we need to have at least a couple of 'big' targets (FF and CHF) in the forwardline and 2 talls in the backline (BP and FB), with the option to have 3 talls down back when Crows load their forwardline with 3 tall targets....as they always do with us. If we're winning in the middle, their 3 talls in their forwardline don't cause any problem for us, but if the Crows do well in the midfield, bring on the support.

We have to win it in the middle. Get that nut before they do to control the game. Our efficiency and handling of the ball has to improve, and if they do that, we should get the points. I think efficiency and clangers have hurt us in the last few weeks, and that has mainly been due to ourguys not handling or expecting the pressure from good AFL teams. I hope the boys have had their wake up call.



This is how we hoped we would cope with West Coast last year and look how that panned out. We can't rely on our midfield to stop supply. Our contested marking is our one of our massive weaknesses.



I may be missing your point SF,

I thought with so many talls out like Waite, Hampson and Kreuzer, and Jamo half baked and Bower on one leg didn't give us the height to compete against their 4 or 5 monsters which they had parked in the forwardline: Lynch, Kennedy, Darling, Cox and Nic Nat ...5 at one stage actually happened.

I thought our midfield against the Eagles was fantastic, relentless, tough and damn competitive....we only lost by 5 points...and after that game we all wondered if only we had Kreuzer and Waite as forward targets.


I was referring to Round 14 last year when we were beaten every which way.... very similar to the Saints game: monster the midfield, kick to a tall leading marking forward. Job done. Trouble is West Coast seemed to have like 20 tall marking targets and our mid field was soundly beaten. Anyway, matching the Crows' contested ball is how we'll win this one.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:25 pm 
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gsker1 wrote:
In the Herald Sun it states that Waite might be out with a hip injury:

"But key forward Jarrad Waite is in doubt with a hip injury, and decisions are to be made about how many talls the Blues play."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/carlton-has-no-fear-for-big-games-says-brett-ratten/story-e6frf9jf-1226358984384

After reading that, I would think that T-Bird will come in and play CHF in place of Waite. Hope Waite plays though!


Did his form on MOnday have you frothing at the mouth?

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:35 pm 
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Get the feeling Waite is not playing otherwise they would have announced something about his 150th game

Seen and heard plenty about Yarrans 50th nothing about Waite

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