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Juddy is his mate.... but even he is disgusted.!!!

he told you this did he? putting words into our captains mouth adds nothing to the situation

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Mad monday and the dildo.... the dildo now is not being waved over his head anymore.....its gone elsewhere...

its simply personal attacks going on here.

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If Fev put as much effort into his leadership as he does into the turps... we would be a better club...


he's hit the piss once in 12months...yes he made a dick of himself, but shit, Michael Hurley is up on assault charges. Buddy Franklin got into fight number 89773 at a bar the other week but no-one gives a sh*t? wheres the stories on them? Fact is, Brendan is up front about it, he's a flower at times but im sure you'll never hear anyone question Shane Warne's leadership skills, anyone/everyone i've ever spoken to says that Warne would have been the greatest captain Australia's ever had, but he was a flower once too many times and it cost him, but it never took away from the impact he could have. Brendan is the same. Brendan IS a good guy, you and everyone else will never hear about his charity work, work with kids, and generally friendly persona than he deserves to be publicised. Fact is, because he's brendan, when he f***cks up he f***cks up in the spotlight.

Quit the childish sh*t and judge the situation on whats best for both him and the club...and that is for both to work together.

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I don't think too many on here (or anywhere else) felt that Fev would be sacked.

The issue is: will the Club seek a trade?

Even then, as Synners and Josh Kaplan and Doc Sherrin have said, the issue becomes who affords him? And do the club see the trade as worthwhile?

So in the end the trade threat will be the attempted rocket for Fev, and we'll no doubt see what is acceptable to the AFLPA as far as conditions in the contract. These will then be added.

We'll then complete the trades for McLean and Everitt next week. We'll see what will happen with Stevens. And it will be business as usual after that.

And all our angst on here will be for pretty much nothing.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:44 pm 
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So if Doc Sherrin is correct, no one wants him, and the AFLPA won't let us put behavioural clauses in his current contract.

If that's the case, the decision is clear. He's got to be sacked outright under the standard clauses of his contract, and the club moves on.

If that puts a few noses out of joint for 12 monts then so be it. We'll all learn from it. Little lessons like don't give demostrable loose cannons $700k contracts with no 'out', and if said player won't agree to an 'out', move him on then and there.


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So if Doc Sherrin is correct, no one wants him, and the AFLPA won't let us put behavioural clauses in his current contract.

If that's the case, the decision is clear. He's got to be sacked outright under the standard clauses of his contract, and the club moves on.

If that puts a few noses out of joint for 12 monts then so be it. We'll all learn from it. Little lessons like don't give demostrable loose cannons $700k contracts with no 'out', and if said player won't agree to an 'out', move him on then and there.


If he is sacked then Kernahan and Swann go with him....simple as that.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:52 pm 
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Molly wrote:
I don't think too many on here (or anywhere else) felt that Fev would be sacked.

The issue is: will the Club seek a trade?

Even then, as Synners and Josh Kaplan and Doc Sherrin have said, the issue becomes who affords him? And do the club see the trade as worthwhile?

So in the end the trade threat will be the attempted rocket for Fev, and we'll no doubt see what is acceptable to the AFLPA as far as conditions in the contract. These will then be added.

We'll then complete the trades for McLean and Everitt next week. We'll see what will happen with Stevens. And it will be business as usual after that.

And all our angst on here will be for pretty much nothing.

:clap: sh#t i hope so

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If he is sacked then Kernahan and Swann go with him....simple as that.


well said. finally sense prevails

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Whatever happens I don't think it will dent his media career after footy.

Chennel 9 dropped warney like a hot spud. He's really struggled to find work after he retired hasn't he.

Fev will be damaged goods in the media for a tad longer.

But ultimately he'll be Mr Sportsman's night, return to being the village idiot on the footy show when the dust settles.

Whether he's at Carlton or not. Whether he's a premiership player or not.

And that's because he's interesting. He's painfully flawed. He's not the automaton we want him to be. But dammit people will watch the car crash.

Lance was a footballer born 25 years too late.

Fev is a footballer 25 years too late.

One physical. The other mental.

Look, if we keep him, it's clear we will do so on our terms, the way it should be. There will probably be a 'NO MEDIA' clause, no 'ACTING LIKE A GOOSE' clause, and Fev will be pushed to be something he's just not - a sensible player who trains hard and runs out on the weekend knowing exactly what he will do at every stage.

If we keep him with those restrictions, he'll probably be a shit player. Try to turn an extrovert into an introvert and you lose a good extrovert, and gain a shit introvert.

He's immature. Stupid. Offensive to some. Loved by plenty. But he's never boring.

Fev will find his pocket of the media just as Dougie Hawkins did. For a little while.

Whether Fev does that after a career at Carlton or someone else is up to the board.

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Teen Spirit wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Juddy is his mate.... but even he is disgusted.!!!

he told you this did he? putting words into our captains mouth adds nothing to the situation

Synbad wrote:
Mad monday and the dildo.... the dildo now is not being waved over his head anymore.....its gone elsewhere...

its simply personal attacks going on here.

Synbad wrote:
If Fev put as much effort into his leadership as he does into the turps... we would be a better club...


he's hit the piss once in 12months...yes he made a dick of himself, but shit, Michael Hurley is up on assault charges. Buddy Franklin got into fight number 89773 at a bar the other week but no-one gives a sh*t? wheres the stories on them? Fact is, Brendan is up front about it, he's a flower at times but im sure you'll never hear anyone question Shane Warne's leadership skills, anyone/everyone i've ever spoken to says that Warne would have been the greatest captain Australia's ever had, but he was a flower once too many times and it cost him, but it never took away from the impact he could have. Brendan is the same. Brendan IS a good guy, you and everyone else will never hear about his charity work, work with kids, and generally friendly persona than he deserves to be publicised. Fact is, because he's brendan, when he f***cks up he f***cks up in the spotlight.

Quit the childish sh*t and judge the situation on whats best for both him and the club...and that is for both to work together.



i have to "quit the childish shit " do i???

and yes.. Judd is disgusted with fevs behaviour... i would think if one or two people went in to bat for fev ... fev wouldnt be up the creek right now would he??

i can pretty much guarantee you.... the disgust is unanimous...!!!


and that would be why he is on the brink of being shipped out...

hope he enjoyed those drinks over the last couple of weeks...

do you know he's hit the piss once in 12months...??? do you??? he told you????

and hey dont argue with me.. go take your tent and your sleeping bag and wait at the club and have it out with fevs team mates and club officials... :thumbsup:

im not doing this to him.... am i???

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:17 pm 
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Very simple solution
Suspended for 5 weeks by the club
then plays a minimum of 6 for the Bullants
reviewed mid season
Surely his contract must have a clause about significant pay reductions if he doesn't play or plays for the ressies
If he doesn't like those conditions, he's told he can agree to be traded
If he wants a trade and his manager realises no one wants him at that price, he will need to hastily re-negotiate his contract to make himself more appealing on the open market
The club will always have the upper hand on this one

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someone get Guy McKenna on the phone asap....

Win for everyone. Fev playes VFL next year, Blues get at least 2 1st round picks, GC pays his wage (they would be well under the Salary Cap....)

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Juddanaught09 wrote:
I have no idea

You and 99.9% of those posting on here :lol:
Love the made up shit from those going along for the ride with the one or two that have some snippets

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:22 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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yes it would be a different set of rules for Scotland or someone of lesser calibur than fev. That's the entire point. He's a 2 time coleman medalist and he's one of the biggest and best players in the sport. THAT is why we need him. Take a hard line by all means, but dont drop him. Its simply bad business.


bad business is what fev is...
he cant manage himself....

he is going the way of elliott and we all know where he went...


I'm glad someone has brought up Elliott. There were plenty of people with whom I spoke, family and friends, passionate Carlton people all, who could see quite clearly that Elliott needed to be removed way before the sh1t eventually hit the proverbial. The rest of Elliott's life was heading down the toilet...his business empire had fallen over, his marriage had fallen apart, he was declared bankrupt and not allowed to be a director of a company, forced to sell his house (whithout telling his soon-to-be ex-wife...hello???). It was clear that the Club was starting to go backwards in terms of membership and finances, and was not coming to grips with the changing face of football, of how a football club needed to be run. Even at the EGM at the end of 2002, and on here, the Elliott apologists were out in force.

What would have happened had Elliott been voted out in, say, 1997? We may have missed a GF? We may have won a GF? What if he had been voted out in 1992? We may not have won the '95 flag, we may have won '95 AND '94. No one will ever know.

But one thing is for sure, the Club wouldn't have got into the mess it did. The Club would not have endured it's darkest days. The Club may not have won 3 wooden spoons. It may not have won any. We may look at it now and say it is all ok, but only because we were SO bad that we got a raft of early picks, and Pratt came in because he didn't want to see his club die.

The Club is bigger than any individual. And sometimes the Club needs to take a hit in the short term to set itself up for the long term.

We may or may not win a Flag before Fevola retires, if he stays at the Club. And most will feel that if we don't, then it's not a complete disaster, our window will still be well and truly open, the Judd/Muprhy/Gibbs/Kreuzer era still well and truly alive. But if we don't win a flag with Fevola, and then we don't win a Flag in the Judd/Muprhy/Gibbs/Kreuzer era, it will be nothing short of a calamity.

We need to make sure that whatever happens now, it does not negatively impact our chances of winning a flag in the next 10 years, not the next 3 years. And the surest way to compromise that aim, off-field, is to have weak leadership and poor culture. How are we all going to feel when Adelaide comes knocking on Gibbs' door, offers him $800,00 a year for 5 years, and Gibbs' decides he'd rather play at a club where his teammates don't have his girlfriend in tears? Or his girlfriend says that this is what she would prefer, "you'll earn great money Bryce, you'll be playing in a great team, great coach, great culture, and you'll be back with all your family and mates...and Bryce, I'll be much happier there too"?

And then Gibbs is gone. And then who knows what the flow on effect from that is.

Once again, I am not definitively saying we need to trade Fevola. I am saying that whatever action the Club decides to take, it needs to stop pandering to this imbecile, to grow some balls, and to make some seriously tough decisions, decisions that will almost certainly hurt us in the short term.

It is time for this Club to get up in front of the football world and declare what it stands for.

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Again ... Why would he re-negotiate a contract? A contract is a contract and must be payed out unless a clause states otherwise. Fev is in the box seat, hence the difficulty for the club in trading him or sacking him.

Our only out as a club would be the club he is traded to taking over his contract.


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Synbad wrote:

do you know he's hit the piss once in 12months...??? do you??? he told you????

yep...word for word he said it on Triple M with Eddie. its a far more direct quote than 'everyone thinks so' and 'the general feeling is'

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im not doing this to him.... am i???

no but you, like many others seem to be enjoying his plight...its a shame that people have to make personal attacks, even when he's at fault and he's brought it on himself.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:31 pm 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
nightcrawler wrote:
So if Doc Sherrin is correct, no one wants him, and the AFLPA won't let us put behavioural clauses in his current contract.

If that's the case, the decision is clear. He's got to be sacked outright under the standard clauses of his contract, and the club moves on.

If that puts a few noses out of joint for 12 monts then so be it. We'll all learn from it. Little lessons like don't give demostrable loose cannons $700k contracts with no 'out', and if said player won't agree to an 'out', move him on then and there.


If he is sacked then Kernahan and Swann go with him....simple as that.


I reckon Swann will probably walk if we don't. Icke would probably follow. Why would in-demand professionals hang around and have their reputations trashed by our amateur hour?


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Again ... Why would he re-negotiate a contract? A contract is a contract and must be payed out unless a clause states otherwise. Fev is in the box seat, hence the difficulty for the club in trading him or sacking him.

Our only out as a club would be the club he is traded to taking over his contract.


Not sure about that. What if the Club says to him..."here's the deal, these are the clauses to go in your contract. If you accept, you will have a 4 week suspension. If you don't accept, you have a 12 month suspension. Your choice."

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:34 pm 
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Siegfried wrote:
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yes it would be a different set of rules for Scotland or someone of lesser calibur than fev. That's the entire point. He's a 2 time coleman medalist and he's one of the biggest and best players in the sport. THAT is why we need him. Take a hard line by all means, but dont drop him. Its simply bad business.


bad business is what fev is...
he cant manage himself....

he is going the way of elliott and we all know where he went...


I'm glad someone has brought up Elliott. There were plenty of people with whom I spoke, family and friends, passionate Carlton people all, who could see quite clearly that Elliott needed to be removed way before the sh1t eventually hit the proverbial. The rest of Elliott's life was heading down the toilet...his business empire had fallen over, his marriage had fallen apart, he was declared bankrupt and not allowed to be a director of a company, forced to sell his house (whithout telling his soon-to-be ex-wife...hello???). It was clear that the Club was starting to go backwards in terms of membership and finances, and was not coming to grips with the changing face of football, of how a football club needed to be run. Even at the EGM at the end of 2002, and on here, the Elliott apologists were out in force.

What would have happened had Elliott been voted out in, say, 1997? We may have missed a GF? We may have won a GF? What if he had been voted out in 1992? We may not have won the '95 flag, we may have won '95 AND '94. No one will ever know.

But one thing is for sure, the Club wouldn't have got into the mess it did. The Club would not have endured it's darkest days. The Club may not have won 3 wooden spoons. It may not have won any. We may look at it now and say it is all ok, but only because we were SO bad that we got a raft of early picks, and Pratt came in because he didn't want to see his club die.

The Club is bigger than any individual. And sometimes the Club needs to take a hit in the short term to set itself up for the long term.

We may or may not win a Flag before Fevola retires, if he stays at the Club. And most will feel that if we don't, then it's not a complete disaster, our window will still be well and truly open, the Judd/Muprhy/Gibbs/Kreuzer era still well and truly alive. But if we don't win a flag with Fevola, and then we don't win a Flag in the Judd/Muprhy/Gibbs/Kreuzer era, it will be nothing short of a calamity.

We need to make sure that whatever happens now, it does not negatively impact our chances of winning a flag in the next 10 years, not the next 3 years. And the surest way to compromise that aim, off-field, is to have weak leadership and poor culture. How are we all going to feel when Adelaide comes knocking on Gibbs' door, offers him $800,00 a year for 5 years, and Gibbs' decides he'd rather play at a club where his teammates don't have his girlfriend in tears? Or his girlfriend says that this is what she would prefer, "you'll earn great money Bryce, you'll be playing in a great team, great coach, great culture, and you'll be back with all your family and mates...and Bryce, I'll be much happier there too"?

And then Gibbs is gone. And then who knows what the flow on effect from that is.

Once again, I am not definitively saying we need to trade Fevola. I am saying that whatever action the Club decides to take, it needs to stop pandering to this imbecile, to grow some balls, and to make some seriously tough decisions, decisions that will almost certainly hurt us in the short term.

It is time for this Club to get up in front of the football world and declare what it stands for.



PERFECTLY PUT - a couple on this site are taking the simplistic approach that with or without Fev will determine our short term future. Firstly, he's been a twice coleman medallist and once runner up and the best we've done in that time is played one final and lost. He's no demigod. He's one part of a team, that's all. Secondly, as Sig has alluded to, do we have any freaking idea what effect his behaviour and actions we take will have on our other players???? We need to take a real, non-negotiable stance. It doesn't mean we sack him, but we need to show the rest of the footy world we mean business

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:36 pm 
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Siegfried wrote:
Synbad wrote:
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yes it would be a different set of rules for Scotland or someone of lesser calibur than fev. That's the entire point. He's a 2 time coleman medalist and he's one of the biggest and best players in the sport. THAT is why we need him. Take a hard line by all means, but dont drop him. Its simply bad business.


bad business is what fev is...
he cant manage himself....

he is going the way of elliott and we all know where he went...


I'm glad someone has brought up Elliott. There were plenty of people with whom I spoke, family and friends, passionate Carlton people all, who could see quite clearly that Elliott needed to be removed way before the sh1t eventually hit the proverbial. The rest of Elliott's life was heading down the toilet...his business empire had fallen over, his marriage had fallen apart, he was declared bankrupt and not allowed to be a director of a company, forced to sell his house (whithout telling his soon-to-be ex-wife...hello???). It was clear that the Club was starting to go backwards in terms of membership and finances, and was not coming to grips with the changing face of football, of how a football club needed to be run. Even at the EGM at the end of 2002, and on here, the Elliott apologists were out in force.

What would have happened had Elliott been voted out in, say, 1997? We may have missed a GF? We may have won a GF? What if he had been voted out in 1992? We may not have won the '95 flag, we may have won '95 AND '94. No one will ever know.

But one thing is for sure, the Club wouldn't have got into the mess it did. The Club would not have endured it's darkest days. The Club may not have won 3 wooden spoons. It may not have won any. We may look at it now and say it is all ok, but only because we were SO bad that we got a raft of early picks, and Pratt came in because he didn't want to see his club die.

The Club is bigger than any individual. And sometimes the Club needs to take a hit in the short term to set itself up for the long term.

We may or may not win a Flag before Fevola retires, if he stays at the Club. And most will feel that if we don't, then it's not a complete disaster, our window will still be well and truly open, the Judd/Muprhy/Gibbs/Kreuzer era still well and truly alive. But if we don't win a flag with Fevola, and then we don't win a Flag in the Judd/Muprhy/Gibbs/Kreuzer era, it will be nothing short of a calamity.

We need to make sure that whatever happens now, it does not negatively impact our chances of winning a flag in the next 10 years, not the next 3 years. And the surest way to compromise that aim, off-field, is to have weak leadership and poor culture. How are we all going to feel when Adelaide comes knocking on Gibbs' door, offers him $800,00 a year for 5 years, and Gibbs' decides he'd rather play at a club where his teammates don't have his girlfriend in tears? Or his girlfriend says that this is what she would prefer, "you'll earn great money Bryce, you'll be playing in a great team, great coach, great culture, and you'll be back with all your family and mates...and Bryce, I'll be much happier there too"?

And then Gibbs is gone. And then who knows what the flow on effect from that is.

Once again, I am not definitively saying we need to trade Fevola. I am saying that whatever action the Club decides to take, it needs to stop pandering to this imbecile, to grow some balls, and to make some seriously tough decisions, decisions that will almost certainly hurt us in the short term.

It is time for this Club to get up in front of the football world and declare what it stands for.


Well stated again Seigfried but sadly not understood by too many on this forum.

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