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Should Carlton lose the last 8 games this season and get the Priority Pick
YES - lets get picks 1 and 3 this year and be a force for the next 10 seasons 83%  83%  [ 123 ]
NO - we will be right with what we've got 17%  17%  [ 25 ]
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Not sure if this has been posted, or if we know who Rod Curtis is, but a goood piece all the same...

Get rid of pick system
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/get-r ... 91801.html
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I'M A Carlton supporter. And I don't really want to beat Essendon* this weekend. And in my mind, that's the final straw: the priority pick system must go...

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To "B" or not to "B" that is the question. :wink:

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It's obvious we need all the quality players we can get hold of and an elite tall and classy midfielder, would be great.
Let's hope we're lucky enough for the chips to fall our way.
It would be ridiculous to miss out on a talented ruck prospect because of one more win in a poor season.
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totally agree we need this pick seeing that the afl ripped us off last year

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I hope we lose the last 2 games in 2007 in preference for Selection 1 (Priority Pick) and Selection 3 (1st Round Pick).

In 2005, both Collingwood and Hawthorn didn't win meaningless games near seasons end, to avoid 2 early picks, in preference for 4 meaningless premiership points. Look at where they are now on the ladder. In 2005, Collingwood gained Thomas and Pendulbury with picks 2 & 5, whilst Hawthorn gained Ellis and Thorpe with picks 3 & 6.

In 2005 the Afl were thinking about changing the eligibility of the priority pick, but chose not to (because Collingwood were near the bottom). However in 2006, when Collingwood rose up the ladder and Carlton finished last, the AFL didn't hesitate to change the eligibility of the priority pick to over a 2 year period. This meant that in 2006 we gained Selection 1 (1st Round Pick) and Selection 17 (Priority Pick), instead of Selection 1 (Priority Pick) and Selection 3 (1st Round Pick), as Essendon* would have had Selection 2.

After the AFL screwed us in 2002, 2003 and 2006, in 2007 we have to make the most of the draft and gain Selections 1 & 3. I believe that this will be our last chance for a while to gain an early priority pick, as from 2008, I think we will rise up the ladder.

We are in desperate need for a young A-Grade ruckman and at Pick 1, we will have the chance to draft Matthew Kreuzer. His performances over 2006 and 2007 in the under age competion is outstanding. He is an All-Australian ruckman, who is a good tap ruckman with great agility and pace for a big man. He is constantly in the best players for Northern Knights and on the weekend 18/08/07 he dominated. Refer to link below for details.

http://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v3/rpt ... ID=8&ext=1

Many will argue that we have Aisake, Jacobs and Hampson. But all 3 players are project players. Aisake is from a non-aussie rules background, Hampson is from a soccer background and Jacobs is only a rookie listed player.
But with Kreuzer we are guaranteed a 10 year A-Grade ruckman with height 199cm and potentially still growing.

After our bad performances over 2005, 2006 and 2007, at the 2007 draft I believe we will have our last chance at gaining an early priority pick, and potentially gaining our next premiership ruckman in Matthew Kreuzer. To lose this opportunity for 4 meaningless premiership points would be devasting.

After a good draft in 2007, from 2008 onwards it's PAYBACK time for the AFL and all the 15 other Afl clubs that supported the AFL on it's handling of the salary cap sanctions of 2002.

GO BLUES


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gee novel thoughts there

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cheers...

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I don't know which way the recruiters are thinking but after watching yesterday if there is any doubt over who to get a priority MUST be that they are very good users of the ball. We currently have too many players that turn the ball over to easy!


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carltonac wrote:
But with Kreuzer we are guaranteed a 10 year A-Grade ruckman with height 199cm and potentially still growing.



The only "guarantees" in life are death, taxes and the filth loosing grand finals. Other than that no draftee is a guaranteed 10 yr player, although the odds are probably a fair bit higher than later picks.

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carltonac wrote:
But with Kreuzer we are guaranteed a 10 year A-Grade ruckman with height 199cm and potentially still growing.



The only "guarantees" in life are death, taxes and the filth loosing grand finals. Other than that no draftee is a guaranteed 10 yr player, although the odds are probably a fair bit higher than later picks.

and because no draftee is a guaranteed 10 year player you need to cover your arse with 2 in the top 3.. :wink: .. which certainly gives you a better chance

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Synbad wrote:
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carltonac wrote:
But with Kreuzer we are guaranteed a 10 year A-Grade ruckman with height 199cm and potentially still growing.



The only "guarantees" in life are death, taxes and the filth loosing grand finals. Other than that no draftee is a guaranteed 10 yr player, although the odds are probably a fair bit higher than later picks.

and because no draftee is a guaranteed 10 year player you need to cover your arse with 2 in the top 3.. :wink: .. which certainly gives you a better chance


Dont worry Synbad, I'm OK to take the priority this year as long it doesnt involve woodwork

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carltonac wrote:
I hope we lose the last 2 games in 2007 in preference for Selection 1 (Priority Pick) and Selection 3 (1st Round Pick).

In 2005, both Collingwood and Hawthorn didn't win meaningless games near seasons end, to avoid 2 early picks, in preference for 4 meaningless premiership points. Look at where they are now on the ladder. In 2005, Collingwood gained Thomas and Pendulbury with picks 2 & 5, whilst Hawthorn gained Ellis and Thorpe with picks 3 & 6.

In 2005 the Afl were thinking about changing the eligibility of the priority pick, but chose not to (because Collingwood were near the bottom). However in 2006, when Collingwood rose up the ladder and Carlton finished last, the AFL didn't hesitate to change the eligibility of the priority pick to over a 2 year period. This meant that in 2006 we gained Selection 1 (1st Round Pick) and Selection 17 (Priority Pick), instead of Selection 1 (Priority Pick) and Selection 3 (1st Round Pick), as Essendon* would have had Selection 2.

After the AFL screwed us in 2002, 2003 and 2006, in 2007 we have to make the most of the draft and gain Selections 1 & 3. I believe that this will be our last chance for a while to gain an early priority pick, as from 2008, I think we will rise up the ladder.

We are in desperate need for a young A-Grade ruckman and at Pick 1, we will have the chance to draft Matthew Kreuzer. His performances over 2006 and 2007 in the under age competion is outstanding. He is an All-Australian ruckman, who is a good tap ruckman with great agility and pace for a big man. He is constantly in the best players for Northern Knights and on the weekend 18/08/07 he dominated. Refer to link below for details.

http://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v3/rpt ... ID=8&ext=1

Many will argue that we have Aisake, Jacobs and Hampson. But all 3 players are project players. Aisake is from a non-aussie rules background, Hampson is from a soccer background and Jacobs is only a rookie listed player.
But with Kreuzer we are guaranteed a 10 year A-Grade ruckman with height 199cm and potentially still growing.

After our bad performances over 2005, 2006 and 2007, at the 2007 draft I believe we will have our last chance at gaining an early priority pick, and potentially gaining our next premiership ruckman in Matthew Kreuzer. To lose this opportunity for 4 meaningless premiership points would be devasting.

After a good draft in 2007, from 2008 onwards it's PAYBACK time for the AFL and all the 15 other Afl clubs that supported the AFL on it's handling of the salary cap sanctions of 2002.

GO BLUES


Bump. :wink:

I think this suggestion has been fairly well covered.

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Tanking ? a horrible thought.Always been against it myself.Goes against everything the CFC stands for...........
BUT.........you would have to be a brain dead embecile to kick a gift horse in the mouth.Grab whats in front of you with both hands and dont ask questions.Going for a win now is in the cheap thrills department.

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I hope the mods don't mind me quoting this much of the article because Lane's final points are pertinent and interesting.

AFL's incentive to lose - Tim Lane
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Otherwise, why do coaches seek to motivate their players for each new game? Why do they tell us that their players under-performed on certain days, or were outstanding in their resolve on other days?

The fact is there are levels of commitment. Coaches constantly seek to create the conditions for the best possible performance each time their team plays. This involves many aspects of mental preparation.

So what if the players in a team know that there is actually some value in losing a game?

Might it not, if only at the margin, distract them from the type of unequivocal focus that coaches seek to generate each week? Of course it might. To deny such a basic proposition is not so much to be deluded as to be in denial.

The great irony in the current circumstances is that the club with something to gain from these flawed draft rules is the same one that was recently, in an overly punitive way, denied access to the draft. If any club is entitled to be a little cynical, it is Carlton.

If the Blues reach their final-round encounter with Melbourne still with a chance of achieving a priority pick, who could say that the entire club might not be even slightly distracted from winning, by the prize on offer for losing?


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I reckon the 2nd last para is the key. ;)

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gee novel thoughts there

Easy, Danny. He's only been around TC for 5 minutes and can't be expected to have read all three million posts on the tanking issue.
At least he's tried to be constructive, unlike a few of the more emotive posters around.

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killpies wrote:
carltonac wrote:
But with Kreuzer we are guaranteed a 10 year A-Grade ruckman with height 199cm and potentially still growing.



The only "guarantees" in life are death, taxes and the filth loosing grand finals. Other than that no draftee is a guaranteed 10 yr player, although the odds are probably a fair bit higher than later picks.
You forgot to mention 'nurses'. :-D

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Mickstar wrote:
Tanking ? a horrible thought.Always been against it myself.Goes against everything the CFC stands for...........
BUT.........you would have to be a brain dead embecile to kick a gift horse in the mouth.Grab whats in front of you with both hands and dont ask questions.Going for a win now is in the cheap thrills department.


The issue for me is that in the last round this argument might be worthless as I believe we will have to play like crap to be beaten by Melbourne!


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Isn't gaining a priority #1 pick a form of winning !

Go for the win Blues.
Get Kruezer.

Year 2008: Operation CFC Payback !!

Lets not be half hearted in our attempt for payback. We have many an arse to kick. Starting with Demitrou and finishing with Dwayne Russell.
Revenge will be sweet and louder than thunder.

Go for priority Baggers !!


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Crystal Blue wrote:
Isn't gaining a priority #1 pick a form of winning !

Go for the win Blues.
Get Kruezer.

Year 2008: Operation CFC Payback !!

Lets not be half hearted in our attempt for payback. We have many an arse to kick. Starting with Demitrou and finishing with Dwayne Russell.
Revenge will be sweet and louder than thunder.

Go for priority Baggers !!




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