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buzzaaaah wrote:
No thanks to farren ray



Agree with that.

Fay is soft as luke warm butter.

Shocking pic at 4

Agree with the Fev decision

He was at his worst on Sat


Enough chances


But I wish the press conference was

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Are people seriously suggesting that Fevola's problems are down to Denis Pagan?

Denis might not be the right coach for Carlton but that doesn't mean everything Carlton-related should be blamed on him. Fevola is not a youngster anymore. He has played 136 games, he has been at the club for the best part of a decade. One day he has to start taking responsibility for his actions. Yes, again, a change in coach is probably necessary. But Brendan is old and mature enough now to take responsibility for what he does and doesn't do in a football field. Blaming Denis in any way is laughable.

People also forget that were it not for Denis' arrival in 2002 we would not even have had/continue to have the privilege of watching the man who has according to one poster provided the "only highlights" the club has had in 5 years; were it not for Denis Fev wouldn't be where he is. Does Denis tell Fev to give away 50m penalties? Does he tell Fev to whinge to the umpires while the ball is still in play? Is Denis solely responsible for Fev's continued poor body language? I don't know, maybe something has happened recently between the two, maybe they don't get along as well as we're led to believe. Maybe Fev is sick of Denis, who knows? But Fev is a big boy and responsible for what he does and doesn't do on the field.

Clearly the reason a Press Conference was called was to announce that Brendan was not merely 'dropped' from this week's game but suspended from the club for a week. That is, Brendan is not required at the club for training etc this week. I'm sure that if the club was merely dropping him it would just have been announced on Thursday night and no Press Conference would've been called. But in that case all would've seemed normal as Fev would've been required at training etc and probably wouldn't even have been told until later in the week. What we have is different though: he has been told to GO AWAY from the club altogether for a week. Therefore it is a bigger event than Fev merely being dropped and arguably warrants some sort of announcement. The fact that a Press Conference was called also indicates one other important thing, that being that Saturday was not an isolated incident but the final straw and as someone else said will hopefully serve the function of 'shocking' Fevola into action in terms of realizing how serious his situation at the club is. It would also perhaps indicate (thought it is officially denied) that there is more to this decision than mere on-field attitude and form, i.e. that off-field events might be at play here, though this is mere supposition.

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George Harris wrote:
Remember back to French's retirement and Thornton and Russell wanting to leave?

Well Fevola is signalling his intentions that's he's over it.

He's over being part of a losing culture created by Pagan.

Change the coach, change the gameplan, start winning and see how happy everyone will be.

They can't stand the coach or each other!

How would you feel being an out and out champion having to put up with this shit for 5 years?


Hear hear!! Couldnt have said it better myself!

We're @#$%&! going nowhere with Pagan!!

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When Aker was suspended VOSS delivered the news.
Where was our red headed leader?
Another reason why VOSS should be coach.
Another reason that highlights our lack of onfield leadership.
Embarrassing :oops:

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I LOVE THE FACT THAT FEV IS HUMAN. HE WEARS HIS HEART ON HIS SLEEVE. HE SHOWS MORE PASSION (SOMETIMES MISGUIDED) IN ONE CONTEST THAN ACLAND, SADDINGTON AND HOULIHAN HAVE SHOWN IN A SEASON.

If Fevola goes, it will rip the heart out of every 5-15 kid who worships him. My 8 year old son absolutely adores him. He wears the 25 jumper with genuine pride. I know he will be inconsolable.

I used to laugh at Richo and his antics. Now I see him as a loyal Tiger who has grown up and is respected by all. Fev will also grow up. HE IS CARLTON, HE MUST ONLY SPILL NAVY BLUE BLOOD. I reckon I would throw up watching him being successful at another club. I don't give a flowering toss what anyone says about this next comment, but for me, HE IS UNTRADEABLE, not for Judd, not for anyone. Look forward to all those replies admonishing/ridiculing me for wearing my heart on my sleeve. It is more than a coincidence that he wears the famous 25

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99prelim wrote:
I LOVE THE FACT THAT FEV IS HUMAN. HE WEARS HIS HEART ON HIS SLEEVE. HE SHOWS MORE PASSION (SOMETIMES MISGUIDED) IN ONE CONTEST THAN ACLAND, SADDINGTON AND HOULIHAN HAVE SHOWN IN A SEASON.

If Fevola goes, it will rip the heart out of every 5-15 kid who worships him. My 8 year old son absolutely adores him. He wears the 25 jumper with genuine pride. I know he will be inconsolable.

I used to laugh at Richo and his antics. Now I see him as a loyal Tiger who has grown up and is respected by all. Fev will also grow up. HE IS CARLTON, HE MUST ONLY SPILL NAVY BLUE BLOOD. I reckon I would throw up watching him being successful at another club. I don't give a flowering toss what anyone says about this next comment, but for me, HE IS UNTRADEABLE, not for Judd, not for anyone. Look forward to all those replies admonishing/ridiculing me for wearing my heart on my sleeve. It is more than a coincidence that he wears the famous 25


well said, anyone who wants fev gone, is not a true supporter. You should be all supportin him through this. Because i tell ya wot, every other clubs supporters would, especially the filth COLLINGWOOD.

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No1Blue wrote:
George Harris wrote:
Remember back to French's retirement and Thornton and Russell wanting to leave?

Well Fevola is signalling his intentions that's he's over it.

He's over being part of a losing culture created by Pagan.

Change the coach, change the gameplan, start winning and see how happy everyone will be.

They can't stand the coach or each other!

How would you feel being an out and out champion having to put up with this shit for 5 years?


Hear hear!! Couldnt have said it better myself!


HEAR HEAR!!!!!!!!
GOSPEL TRUTH
HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
RIGHT ON THE MONEY
IF WE CAN SEE THIS, WHY CAN'T EVERYONE ELSE?????????????????


We're flower going nowhere with Pagan!!

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dis whole shit is wack huv fevo deez priks dont know a champ wen dey see one

fev iz da bomb

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Blaming pagan for fevs stupidity is crazy. I agree that pagan needs to go but blaming every little thing that goes wrong is over the top. The fremantle match showed why Fev will never be capitan of carlton, sure when he is playing at his best it is inspirational but when he plays like he did on saturday it proves that he does not have the leadership quallities needed to be capitan.


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I actually think this is a very good move for a number of reasons:

1) When did we last make a positive, pro-active decision in relation to the future of the playing group. We've been reactive for years and I'm happy that we are showing some spine

2) This is the PERFECT time to do this. There are nine weeks to go in the season, and we aren't going to improve our position markedly in the last nine weeks. This gives us time to give Fev a kick up the arse and get him back playing this season. Even if he doesn't play for 3 weeks, he'll still get 6 weeks to show us what he is amde of

3) There is no way we'd do this in 2008. He'd be out of contract and we'd be stupid to piss him off and risk him going in the PSD or threatening to and weakinging our trade position

4) I think it shows a shift in powerbase at the club. When Swann started with the club, he mentioned that he was going to solve the Pagan-Mitchell situation. He was stopped and rumour has it that Sticks was involved. I doubt, given their collective history, that either Sticks or Pagan initiated this. It probably means that Swann and Icke are now in control of our future, which is exactly what should happen.

5) I think it sends a message that CFC will be making difficult decisions at the end of the year, and that the club is not going to play favourites or be afraid to piss off some supporters to move the club forward.

To those of you that want to see Fev finish his career in navy blue, this was the last opportunity for the club to try and bring him in line with minimal risk. If Fev can't or won't see that, then he won't be at the club next year. If he spends the last 6-8 weeks in the right frame of mind, then he just might be saved as a one club player.

Good move by the club, and to my mind one that shows that they are trying to proactively manage on field issues.


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steve wrote:
I actually think this is a very good move for a number of reasons:

1) When did we last make a positive, pro-active decision in relation to the future of the playing group. We've been reactive for years and I'm happy that we are showing some spine

2) This is the PERFECT time to do this. There are nine weeks to go in the season, and we aren't going to improve our position markedly in the last nine weeks. This gives us time to give Fev a kick up the arse and get him back playing this season. Even if he doesn't play for 3 weeks, he'll still get 6 weeks to show us what he is amde of

3) There is no way we'd do this in 2008. He'd be out of contract and we'd be stupid to piss him off and risk him going in the PSD or threatening to and weakinging our trade position

4) I think it shows a shift in powerbase at the club. When Swann started with the club, he mentioned that he was going to solve the Pagan-Mitchell situation. He was stopped and rumour has it that Sticks was involved. I doubt, given their collective history, that either Sticks or Pagan initiated this. It probably means that Swann and Icke are now in control of our future, which is exactly what should happen.

5) I think it sends a message that CFC will be making difficult decisions at the end of the year, and that the club is not going to play favourites or be afraid to piss off some supporters to move the club forward.

To those of you that want to see Fev finish his career in navy blue, this was the last opportunity for the club to try and bring him in line with minimal risk. If Fev can't or won't see that, then he won't be at the club next year. If he spends the last 6-8 weeks in the right frame of mind, then he just might be saved as a one club player.

Good move by the club, and to my mind one that shows that they are trying to proactively manage on field issues.


SPOT ON there pal!!!....

with stevo as captain and murph his deputy we'll be A LOT better on field next year...


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99prelim wrote:
I LOVE THE FACT THAT FEV IS HUMAN. HE WEARS HIS HEART ON HIS SLEEVE. HE SHOWS MORE PASSION (SOMETIMES MISGUIDED) IN ONE CONTEST THAN ACLAND, SADDINGTON AND HOULIHAN HAVE SHOWN IN A SEASON.

If Fevola goes, it will rip the heart out of every 5-15 kid who worships him. My 8 year old son absolutely adores him. He wears the 25 jumper with genuine pride. I know he will be inconsolable.

I used to laugh at Richo and his antics. Now I see him as a loyal Tiger who has grown up and is respected by all. Fev will also grow up. HE IS CARLTON, HE MUST ONLY SPILL NAVY BLUE BLOOD. I reckon I would throw up watching him being successful at another club. I don't give a flowering toss what anyone says about this next comment, but for me, HE IS UNTRADEABLE, not for Judd, not for anyone. Look forward to all those replies admonishing/ridiculing me for wearing my heart on my sleeve. It is more than a coincidence that he wears the famous 25


well said, anyone who wants fev gone, is not a true supporter. You should be all supportin him through this. Because i tell ya wot, every other clubs supporters would, especially the filth COLLINGWOOD.


Lets just see what your beloved Fevola does next week shall we. Would be funny if he decided to tell the club to piss off, would you follow him to the next club?

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Blaming pagan for fevs stupidity is crazy. I agree that pagan needs to go but blaming every little thing that goes wrong is over the top. The fremantle match showed why Fev will never be capitan of Carlton, sure when he is playing at his best it is inspirational but when he plays like he did on saturday it proves that he does not have the leadership qualities needed to be capitan.


Yep ..... and should never be part of the Leadership Group.

It was heartbreaking to watch Fev "behaving badly" on saturday.
He needed to show more at the start of the last quarter than study the grass next to his boots. The head had to be up .... and it wasn't!! Nobody can defend such a poor attitude!!

I love Fev ..... BUT .......

The clock is ticking.

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mjonc wrote:
Fevolution wrote:
99prelim wrote:
I LOVE THE FACT THAT FEV IS HUMAN. HE WEARS HIS HEART ON HIS SLEEVE. HE SHOWS MORE PASSION (SOMETIMES MISGUIDED) IN ONE CONTEST THAN ACLAND, SADDINGTON AND HOULIHAN HAVE SHOWN IN A SEASON.

If Fevola goes, it will rip the heart out of every 5-15 kid who worships him. My 8 year old son absolutely adores him. He wears the 25 jumper with genuine pride. I know he will be inconsolable.

I used to laugh at Richo and his antics. Now I see him as a loyal Tiger who has grown up and is respected by all. Fev will also grow up. HE IS CARLTON, HE MUST ONLY SPILL NAVY BLUE BLOOD. I reckon I would throw up watching him being successful at another club. I don't give a flowering toss what anyone says about this next comment, but for me, HE IS UNTRADEABLE, not for Judd, not for anyone. Look forward to all those replies admonishing/ridiculing me for wearing my heart on my sleeve. It is more than a coincidence that he wears the famous 25


well said, anyone who wants fev gone, is not a true supporter. You should be all supportin him through this. Because i tell ya wot, every other clubs supporters would, especially the filth COLLINGWOOD.


Lets just see what your beloved Fevola does next week shall we. Would be funny if he decided to tell the club to piss off, would you follow him to the next club?


Yeah, it will be hilarious watching us kick 5 goals a game for the next 2-3 years. Absolutely hysterical.


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When I heard the news and the pitiful justification given by Pagan, the purpose of which was to deflect attention from his inept coaching on Saturday, for the first time in many many years I decided I wouldn't go to the footy next week.....However, I've decided I will go so that I can sit in the AFL members and hurl some abuse at Pagan as he waddles down the aisle between quarters. If Fev carried on like Thornton he would surely be suspended for life. Waite's first half was an embarrassment but what was worse was the failure of Pagan to move him onto Pavlich early on before all the damage was done. I digress. I have seen Fev take more hits , run down more players, inspire more team mates and kick more goals than anyone else in the navy blue for the last 5 years. This decision is a disgrace. If he really has done something to warrant this at least have the courtesy to tell the supporters the real reason. To those who disagree with me I'd like to know whether you people actually attend the games because if you do we are obviously watching two different games.


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I am optimistic. Fev needs a public kick in the backside. My bet is that he will come back and be better for it.


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Earlier I stated in a post about the new Carlton :

'Whitnall, Kouta, Saddington, Teague, Bannister and Lappin will all be gone. Mclaren and Ackland probably gone as well. There may well be some kind of a trade of who we consider now to be an untoucheable player - but although this may appear to be a poor descision at the time, it will be the best for our club. The trade will be for a well developed midfielder, for whom a sacrifice in terms of players and/or picks will be made. '

I do have a strong feeling that we will trade a big name player. I love Fevola, but maybe he will be the one..

Junior blueman also feels that although he likes Fevola and dislikes the eagles because of the drugs issue, someone like Chris Judd would be a good trade - if of course it all came to that.

Lets wait and watch with interest...

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I wonder how busy Fev's manager has been today -
Bet the batteries in the mobile would have needed some re-charging

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Fevolution wrote:
well said, anyone who wants fev gone, is not a true supporter. You should be all supportin him through this. Because i tell ya wot, every other clubs supporters would, especially the filth COLLINGWOOD.


Sorry Fevolution, but I disagree strongly with you.

I have been a member of Carlton since I was 7, that was 1975. I have seen Carlton through thick and thin, and I love this club. I have paid thousands and thousands of dollars to support and watch my club, and I consider it a privilege.

But the club comes before the players...any player. You said in an earlier post that any real Carlton supporter loves Fev. Well, I am a real Carlton supporter, and I do not love Fev. I have never loved Fev. When he kicked 8 goals in a half of football, I still didn't love Fev. And I'll tell you why.

You see, Fev is a gifted footballer. He has so much talent it's almost frightening. Some of the things that he does on the football field leave you breathless.

But Fev is also an immature, ego centric, self centred, selfish, childish and petulant individual. When things do not go his way, he sulks and just wants to take his bat and ball and go home. And no, this has nothing to do with Pagan (and I am very much on the get rid of Pagan bandwagon).

You see, Fev has always been like this. He was like this as a teenager, and it was why so many clubs chose not to draft him before we did. It is why it took him so long to break into the team. It is why he was almost delisted. It is why he time and time again gets dragged for being undisciplined on the field. It is why he has got into so much off-field trouble. It is why he had a barman in a headlock in Ireland (and maybe if we'd been harder on him then, he wouldn't be in the position he is now).

And it is why he was overlooked for the Captaincy. It is why, when he had a golden opportunity to put his hand up for the Captaincy that he so badly wants (and is apparently sulking over because he didn't get it), instead of putting his head down and arse up and working hard and contributing to the team, he chose to be undisciplined, petulant, and childish...and surprise, surprise...he got dragged. And his body language whilst sitting on the bench was nothing short of a disgrace.

You see Fevolution, we are all responsible for our actions. If we fail to meet standards of discipline, or to perform in a required way, in whatever area of life, then we have to take responsibility for that...it doesn't matter who you are. And unfortunately, Fev has done it time and time again. It's not like a Murphy, or a Gibbs, who get frustrated sometimes and argue with an ump, it is 10 years + of unacceptable behaviour.

Football is a team game. If you can't contribute as a part of the team, then you shouldn't be there. The argument that we are weak and Fev suffers from poor delivery and poor tactics etc is rubbish. Bob Skilton played 237 games for South Melbourne, won 3 Brownlows, was captain, and incredibly respected...and he played in 1 final in his entire career. Being surrounded by mediocrity was not an excuse for him to throw tantrums.

Someone else on here mentioned Lockett. Want to know his record at St Kilda? Kicked 77 goals in 1984 when they won the wooden spoon, 79 goals in 1985, another wooden spoon, 60 goals in 1986, yep another wooden spoon, 117 goals in 1987, finshed 10th, 78 goals in 1989, finished 3rd bottom...get the picture? And as much as Lockett was a troubled soul, he never spat the dummy on field like Fev does.

No Fevolution, I do not love Fev. When he is on song, when he is marking and goaling and sometimes even chasing, I admire him, and marvel at his skills, and in those moments, I thank the footy gods that he plays for us. But I do not love him, because he is a petulant, childish idiot.

And the problem is, he isn't changing, and he isn't performing, and he isn't contributing to the team. And he is 26, and wants to be Captain.

So, he has two choices. Either he pulls his finger out and finally grows up (and if he does step out of line, then accept responsibility for his own behaviour like an adult), or move on elsewhere.

If we knew that Fev was going to kick 80 goals + for the next 6 seasons, none of us here would want him traded. But he gives no indication that he is prepared to do what is needed to change.

I love the Carlton Football Club. I want whatever is best for the footy club. Simple. Right now, Brendan Fevola is doing nothing for the Club, and in his current space / form / attitude, he is more value for the Club as a potential trade. But that is completely his doing.

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eric pascoe wrote:
When I heard the news and the pitiful justification given by Pagan, the purpose of which was to deflect attention from his inept coaching on Saturday, for the first time in many many years I decided I wouldn't go to the footy next week.....However, I've decided I will go so that I can sit in the AFL members and hurl some abuse at Pagan as he waddles down the aisle between quarters. If Fev carried on like Thornton he would surely be suspended for life. Waite's first half was an embarrassment but what was worse was the failure of Pagan to move him onto Pavlich early on before all the damage was done. I digress. I have seen Fev take more hits , run down more players, inspire more team mates and kick more goals than anyone else in the navy blue for the last 5 years. This decision is a disgrace. If he really has done something to warrant this at least have the courtesy to tell the supporters the real reason. To those who disagree with me I'd like to know whether you people actually attend the games because if you do we are obviously watching two different games.


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