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Might be s chance against Bummers and Dees
We get some players back from injury in the next few weeks.

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trublu wrote:
I’d like to see Diesel Williams come back to princes park as a specialist skills coach and take SPS, Dow, Crippa and Kennedy under his wing.

These boys could do with a few sessions a week working with Diesel and Juddy developing their skills rather than spending hours on hours in a lecture theater.

Some of our players need to work on getting the fundamentals of the game rather than zones and presses.

Not sure how much skill work is being put into the young guns we have recruited. I’m not sure how much they would learn from Brent Stanton who butchered the ball at Essendon** and a Lanky 200cm

The hawks invested a lot of money into biomechanics and breaking down players kicking action and reprogramming each player technique. They even had a gymnast at one stage working on players leaping techniques.

Looking at our coaching panel and football department, I don’t see much in terms of specilaists skill coaches

Stanton, Davenport and Fraser don’t cut it for me.


Go along at a Northern Blues game and get close to the huddle ... Stanton is impressive ... very forthright ... we need more of that
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dadadadada wrote:
trublu wrote:
I’d like to see Diesel Williams come back to princes park as a specialist skills coach and take SPS, Dow, Crippa and Kennedy under his wing.

These boys could do with a few sessions a week working with Diesel and Juddy developing their skills rather than spending hours on hours in a lecture theater.

Some of our players need to work on getting the fundamentals of the game rather than zones and presses.

Not sure how much skill work is being put into the young guns we have recruited. I’m not sure how much they would learn from Brent Stanton who butchered the ball at Essendon*** and a Lanky 200cm

The hawks invested a lot of money into biomechanics and breaking down players kicking action and reprogramming each player technique. They even had a gymnast at one stage working on players leaping techniques.

Looking at our coaching panel and football department, I don’t see much in terms of specilaists skill coaches

Stanton, Davenport and Fraser don’t cut it for me.


Go along at a Northern Blues game and get close to the huddle ... Stanton is impressive ... very forthright ... we need more of that


I don’t care for that. Words are cheap. Look at Bolton

We are in a development phase and a key part of development is refining these kids skills. The skill level is poor and decision making even worse. Now is poor decision making brought on by players not having the confidence to hit a target and second guessing themselves?

Diesel worked with Jobe Watson and played a big part in turning him into a smart footballer.
Juddy mentored Zack Merret and he became an all Australian player last year.

If I were a player, im not sure I’d be taking advice off Brett Stanton or Josh Fraser in regards to skills and disposal. This is the same Brent Stanton who Essendon* supporters booed because he was a hack.

It seems like the coaching are a reflection of our playing group. A bunch of Mr Nice guys who encourage our players to go home and wish their mums and dad a merry Christmas.... I mean who give a flower about that?
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An example of this is those journey videos the club releases.

One episode where Bolts is babbling on about how our players will leave this club being better men. There here to flower play football, there not on the Dr phill show ffs.

The thing I loved about Malthouse was he loved the cowboy like players he had he didn’t care if they got shit faced after a game so long as they did prepared well during the week and when the took the field they gave it there all.

Why are we trying to make our players into robots.

It’s as if the life hasn’t been sucked out of them.

Our players are already mentally pooped from being over coached

And for having the ‘playing On instict’ coached out of them.

Some players have strengths but coaches seem to focus on developing what they don’t have rather then playing their strengths.

I hate to say this but the soul has been sucked out of this team.

Brad Swell was on 774 and said as much. That we’ve become a soulless club. He said our leaders haven’t experienced a successful culture and don’t come from a winning culture.

Our biggest problem is going to be holding on to some of this talent because there’s only so much losing they can take.
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Yeah nah the 2001-2004 Brisbane Lions came from that much vaunted winning culture of Fitzroy.

The Tigers came from the winning culture of a couple of finals wins in 30-odd years.

The Swans came from no gf win in half a century and diabolical results in the 80s and 90s.

The Hawks came from a near merger, and a laughing stock in the mid-2000s.

So I guess I see how your point about a winning culture is correct.

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Yeah nah the 2001-2004 Brisbane Lions came from that much vaunted winning culture of Fitzroy.

The Tigers came from the winning culture of a couple of finals wins in 30-odd years.

The Swans came from no gf win in half a century and diabolical results in the 80s and 90s.

The Hawks came from a near merger, and a laughing stock in the mid-2000s.

So I guess I see how your point about a winning culture is correct.

Don’t forget Geelong and their decades long bridesmaid stint.

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You know we're through the looking glass when people yearn for the Malthouse days.

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We should not get sucked in to short term trading.
Essendon* was widely acknowledged to have had the strongest drafting followed closely by Port Adelaide.
Neither going as well as predicted & Essendon* much worse.
The pundits were also hailing the return of Ablett to combine into the greatest midfield of all time... How’s that going?
The pundits also pushed for Buckley our and Donna out the year before.

We must hold our nerve.
We had to draft a whole lot of GWS players in case one or two of them worked out - which is proving to be the case.
It will come together. It really doesn’t matter if we finish 14th or 17th this year.
And for those who are dismissive of the Bolts’ focus on character - that was the main reason we failed with all our top level talent through the Pagan/Ratten/Malthouse years. Poor culture & character from the Board to the players(&some of us too!).
Sydney’s turnaround began with The Bloods, Geelong w the player intervention of Stevie J, the Hawks has their line in the sand, and the Tigers success also began w off field character turnaround and focus on ‘Connection’.
And a key hurdle GWS must overcome, with all the talent in the world, is about character more than anything else. TheDemons too.
So quit this ‘tough guy’ shit about the wordsBolton chooses to use at press conferences.
We are rebuilding not just the list but the whole club.
And we want the changes to last just like the Swans, Cats, Hawks and looks like the Tigers. Not like the Bulldogs andClingwood 2010.


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17th Premiership wrote:
We should not get sucked in to short term trading.
Essendon** was widely acknowledged to have had the strongest drafting followed closely by Port Adelaide.
Neither going as well as predicted & Essendon** much worse.
The pundits were also hailing the return of Ablett to combine into the greatest midfield of all time... How’s that going?
The pundits also pushed for Buckley our and Donna out the year before.

We must hold our nerve.
We had to draft a whole lot of GWS players in case one or two of them worked out - which is proving to be the case.
It will come together. It really doesn’t matter if we finish 14th or 17th this year.
And for those who are dismissive of the Bolts’ focus on character - that was the main reason we failed with all our top level talent through the Pagan/Ratten/Malthouse years. Poor culture & character from the Board to the players(&some of us too!).
Sydney’s turnaround began with The Bloods, Geelong w the player intervention of Stevie J, the Hawks has their line in the sand, and the Tigers success also began w off field character turnaround and focus on ‘Connection’.
And a key hurdle GWS must overcome, with all the talent in the world, is about character more than anything else. TheDemons too.
So quit this ‘tough guy’ shit about the wordsBolton chooses to use at press conferences.
We are rebuilding not just the list but the whole club.
And we want the changes to last just like the Swans, Cats, Hawks and looks like the Tigers. Not like the Bulldogs andClingwood 2010.


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what he said.

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dannyboy wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
We should not get sucked in to short term trading.
Essendon*** was widely acknowledged to have had the strongest drafting followed closely by Port Adelaide.
Neither going as well as predicted & Essendon*** much worse.
The pundits were also hailing the return of Ablett to combine into the greatest midfield of all time... How’s that going?
The pundits also pushed for Buckley our and Donna out the year before.

We must hold our nerve.
We had to draft a whole lot of GWS players in case one or two of them worked out - which is proving to be the case.
It will come together. It really doesn’t matter if we finish 14th or 17th this year.
And for those who are dismissive of the Bolts’ focus on character - that was the main reason we failed with all our top level talent through the Pagan/Ratten/Malthouse years. Poor culture & character from the Board to the players(&some of us too!).
Sydney’s turnaround began with The Bloods, Geelong w the player intervention of Stevie J, the Hawks has their line in the sand, and the Tigers success also began w off field character turnaround and focus on ‘Connection’.
And a key hurdle GWS must overcome, with all the talent in the world, is about character more than anything else. TheDemons too.
So quit this ‘tough guy’ shit about the wordsBolton chooses to use at press conferences.
We are rebuilding not just the list but the whole club.
And we want the changes to last just like the Swans, Cats, Hawks and looks like the Tigers. Not like the Bulldogs andClingwood 2010.


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what he said.


Yep. The club would know there is no alternative but holding its nerve. Can’t turn back now.
SOS aint gunna get everything right but geez don’t miss our cringeworthy recruiting.
Whether or not this works out to the degree we all hope, it’s the route many having been pleading for for 15 years. And I applaud the club for taking it on.
The tragedy is it’s taken so long and we’re starting from so far back.
The Scum have overrated their list and fallen into the former Carlton trap of recruiting for now when they’re not really ready. They do have some quality on their list but needed to be a bit more patient.
Their predictable under performance is all this season has offered thus far :cry:

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kennyhunter wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
We should not get sucked in to short term trading.
Essendon**** was widely acknowledged to have had the strongest drafting followed closely by Port Adelaide.
Neither going as well as predicted & Essendon**** much worse.
The pundits were also hailing the return of Ablett to combine into the greatest midfield of all time... How’s that going?
The pundits also pushed for Buckley our and Donna out the year before.

We must hold our nerve.
We had to draft a whole lot of GWS players in case one or two of them worked out - which is proving to be the case.
It will come together. It really doesn’t matter if we finish 14th or 17th this year.
And for those who are dismissive of the Bolts’ focus on character - that was the main reason we failed with all our top level talent through the Pagan/Ratten/Malthouse years. Poor culture & character from the Board to the players(&some of us too!).
Sydney’s turnaround began with The Bloods, Geelong w the player intervention of Stevie J, the Hawks has their line in the sand, and the Tigers success also began w off field character turnaround and focus on ‘Connection’.
And a key hurdle GWS must overcome, with all the talent in the world, is about character more than anything else. TheDemons too.
So quit this ‘tough guy’ shit about the wordsBolton chooses to use at press conferences.
We are rebuilding not just the list but the whole club.
And we want the changes to last just like the Swans, Cats, Hawks and looks like the Tigers. Not like the Bulldogs andClingwood 2010.


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what he said.


Yep. The club would know there is no alternative but holding its nerve. Can’t turn back now.
SOS aint gunna get everything right but geez don’t miss our cringeworthy recruiting.
Whether or not this works out to the degree we all hope, it’s the route many having been pleading for for 15 years. And I applaud the club for taking it on.
The tragedy is it’s taken so long and we’re starting from so far back.
The Scum have overrated their list and fallen into the former Carlton trap of recruiting for now when they’re not really ready. They do have some quality on their list but needed to be a bit more patient.
Their predictable under performance is all this season has offered thus far :cry:


That line sums up where we have gone wrong and why we must hold our nerve.

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trublu wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
trublu wrote:
I’d like to see Diesel Williams come back to princes park as a specialist skills coach and take SPS, Dow, Crippa and Kennedy under his wing.

These boys could do with a few sessions a week working with Diesel and Juddy developing their skills rather than spending hours on hours in a lecture theater.

Some of our players need to work on getting the fundamentals of the game rather than zones and presses.

Not sure how much skill work is being put into the young guns we have recruited. I’m not sure how much they would learn from Brent Stanton who butchered the ball at Essendon**** and a Lanky 200cm

The hawks invested a lot of money into biomechanics and breaking down players kicking action and reprogramming each player technique. They even had a gymnast at one stage working on players leaping techniques.

Looking at our coaching panel and football department, I don’t see much in terms of specilaists skill coaches

Stanton, Davenport and Fraser don’t cut it for me.


Go along at a Northern Blues game and get close to the huddle ... Stanton is impressive ... very forthright ... we need more of that


I don’t care for that. Words are cheap. Look at Bolton

We are in a development phase and a key part of development is refining these kids skills. The skill level is poor and decision making even worse. Now is poor decision making brought on by players not having the confidence to hit a target and second guessing themselves?

Diesel worked with Jobe Watson and played a big part in turning him into a smart footballer.
Juddy mentored Zack Merret and he became an all Australian player last year.

If I were a player, im not sure I’d be taking advice off Brett Stanton or Josh Fraser in regards to skills and disposal. This is the same Brent Stanton who Essendon** supporters booed because he was a hack.

It seems like the coaching are a reflection of our playing group. A bunch of Mr Nice guys who encourage our players to go home and wish their mums and dad a merry Christmas.... I mean who give a flower about that?


A hack that played 255 games....lol!!!!!!!!
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17th Premiership wrote:
We should not get sucked in to short term trading.
Essendon** was widely acknowledged to have had the strongest drafting followed closely by Port Adelaide.
Neither going as well as predicted & Essendon** much worse.
The pundits were also hailing the return of Ablett to combine into the greatest midfield of all time... How’s that going?
The pundits also pushed for Buckley our and Donna out the year before.

We must hold our nerve.
We had to draft a whole lot of GWS players in case one or two of them worked out - which is proving to be the case.
It will come together. It really doesn’t matter if we finish 14th or 17th this year.
And for those who are dismissive of the Bolts’ focus on character - that was the main reason we failed with all our top level talent through the Pagan/Ratten/Malthouse years. Poor culture & character from the Board to the players(&some of us too!).
Sydney’s turnaround began with The Bloods, Geelong w the player intervention of Stevie J, the Hawks has their line in the sand, and the Tigers success also began w off field character turnaround and focus on ‘Connection’.
And a key hurdle GWS must overcome, with all the talent in the world, is about character more than anything else. TheDemons too.
So quit this ‘tough guy’ shit about the wordsBolton chooses to use at press conferences.
We are rebuilding not just the list but the whole club.
And we want the changes to last just like the Swans, Cats, Hawks and looks like the Tigers. Not like the Bulldogs andClingwood 2010.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:33 pm 
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HTP wrote:
Yeah nah the 2001-2004 Brisbane Lions came from that much vaunted winning culture of Fitzroy.

The Tigers came from the winning culture of a couple of finals wins in 30-odd years.

The Swans came from no gf win in half a century and diabolical results in the 80s and 90s.

The Hawks came from a near merger, and a laughing stock in the mid-2000s.

So I guess I see how your point about a winning culture is correct.



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:39 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
We should not get sucked in to short term trading.
Essendon** was widely acknowledged to have had the strongest drafting followed closely by Port Adelaide.
Neither going as well as predicted & Essendon** much worse.
The pundits were also hailing the return of Ablett to combine into the greatest midfield of all time... How’s that going?
The pundits also pushed for Buckley our and Donna out the year before.

We must hold our nerve.
We had to draft a whole lot of GWS players in case one or two of them worked out - which is proving to be the case.
It will come together. It really doesn’t matter if we finish 14th or 17th this year.
And for those who are dismissive of the Bolts’ focus on character - that was the main reason we failed with all our top level talent through the Pagan/Ratten/Malthouse years. Poor culture & character from the Board to the players(&some of us too!).
Sydney’s turnaround began with The Bloods, Geelong w the player intervention of Stevie J, the Hawks has their line in the sand, and the Tigers success also began w off field character turnaround and focus on ‘Connection’.
And a key hurdle GWS must overcome, with all the talent in the world, is about character more than anything else. TheDemons too.
So quit this ‘tough guy’ shit about the wordsBolton chooses to use at press conferences.
We are rebuilding not just the list but the whole club.
And we want the changes to last just like the Swans, Cats, Hawks and looks like the Tigers. Not like the Bulldogs andClingwood 2010.


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That is my understanding. It is not an over night fix.

Some here were suggesting 2020 be the start of success and finals.

I thought we would be adding FA and a Trade or 2 end of 2018 and 2019 giving us a chance to make finals in 2019 and greater in 2020...whilst we are thin in depth, injuries will dictate when finals start. I doubt it will be later than 2020, but I'm a half glass full man since club decided to do this rebuild properly.

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I have a question
Mick Malthouse was in the same position as Bolton at this stage into his 3rd year
If Malthouse said - " Trust Me I have a plan and fans need to be Patient "

Would you listened to him ???? and take it as gospel he knew what he was doing

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Sydney Blue wrote:
I have a question
Mick Malthouse was in the same position as Bolton at this stage into his 3rd year
If Malthouse said - " Trust Me I have a plan and fans need to be Patient "

Would you listened to him ???? and take it as gospel he knew what he was doing


You're trying to bait someone Sydney.
We are all frustrated, some os us a tad, others like you want to blow the joint down.

Bolton and Malthouse are two Completely different scenarios.

Malthouse came with all guns blazing he as the man to take u to the 17th premiership with the list we had.
Bolton was selected to rebuild our list and help the club improve its Boys Club culture.

IE. Malthouse was kicked out when he hit rock bottom in his 3rd year, after Ratten had taken virtually the same list to finals.
Damage done!

Have a look at the players gone during Malthouse's era: Betts, Waite, Garlett, Robinson etc and he bought in an overpaid inred FA in Thomas

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Sydney Blue wrote:
I have a question
Mick Malthouse was in the same position as Bolton at this stage into his 3rd year
If Malthouse said - " Trust Me I have a plan and fans need to be Patient "

Would you listened to him ???? and take it as gospel he knew what he was doing


Malthouse wanted out - didn't want to be there. He did all he could to get sakced and paid out and the board obliged and moved on.
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