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I'm as frustrated as the xt supporter, but I have faith in what Bolts and the club are doing and much of the proof is already in the pudding.

1 - team makeup. SOS and Bolts have done the hardest part of the team rebuild. KPP. We have a gem in Charlie, Weitering whist struggling, is another piece, Harry is starting to come on and Marchbank has slotted in. These are the hardest players to recruit and develop. Ask Collingwood.

Our current problems are all due to us simply not having a solid midfield. Its Cripps, Murphy and daylight. I can see that Kennedy and Lang were to assist in that regard whilst our midfield recruits develop.

The thing is, finding midfielders through the draft isn't that difficult. Its the KPP's which we have done a very good job in getting.

2 - cohesion. Judd spoke about this on Footy Confidential. Its an area thats under increasing analysis, and its one we are certainly struggling with. But again for mine, the pieces in the puzzle are their. We've got a back 6 that is getting more and more settled. And time is the key here. Interesting that Port were pointed out as an example where even though a side adds a swag of good players, it can and does upset a teams cohesion.

Its why the last thing this list needs is any more change or upheaval.

In regard to Bolts coaching ability. I think too many are being way too harsh. He is lacking cattle and injuries are impacting that further. I think tat yes they've had a couple of bad days and poor decisions at selection table. But shit happens.

And as I say to our junior analysts - bring me solutions not problems. Nothing I see in this thread seems to be about the former.


That's precisely the way I'd go about it if I was on the Board. I'd sit down with Bolts and have a very serious conversation with him about the group and we're they're heading. I wouldn't stick my head in the sand and hope this works itself out. If he gave me some assurances that we were still on the right path, I'd give him more time, but I would certainly be asking why the @#$%&! the players seemed to not know WTF they're supoosed to be doing.

From a tactic position, I'd like to know exactly what the plan is, if the players are capable of pulling it off, and when did he think that would be.

I'd also like to talk to the senior playing group about their role and where they perceive the issues are.

After all, they're all professionals and not above criticism.

1 win in 16 and hoping that after 66 games we turn the corner is not a plan. Attitude and determination costs nothing.

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The Duke wrote:
AIRCAV wrote:
I'm as frustrated as the xt supporter, but I have faith in what Bolts and the club are doing and much of the proof is already in the pudding.

1 - team makeup. SOS and Bolts have done the hardest part of the team rebuild. KPP. We have a gem in Charlie, Weitering whist struggling, is another piece, Harry is starting to come on and Marchbank has slotted in. These are the hardest players to recruit and develop. Ask Collingwood.

Our current problems are all due to us simply not having a solid midfield. Its Cripps, Murphy and daylight. I can see that Kennedy and Lang were to assist in that regard whilst our midfield recruits develop.

The thing is, finding midfielders through the draft isn't that difficult. Its the KPP's which we have done a very good job in getting.

2 - cohesion. Judd spoke about this on Footy Confidential. Its an area thats under increasing analysis, and its one we are certainly struggling with. But again for mine, the pieces in the puzzle are their. We've got a back 6 that is getting more and more settled. And time is the key here. Interesting that Port were pointed out as an example where even though a side adds a swag of good players, it can and does upset a teams cohesion.

Its why the last thing this list needs is any more change or upheaval.

In regard to Bolts coaching ability. I think too many are being way too harsh. He is lacking cattle and injuries are impacting that further. I think tat yes they've had a couple of bad days and poor decisions at selection table. But shit happens.

And as I say to our junior analysts - bring me solutions not problems. Nothing I see in this thread seems to be about the former.


That's precisely the way I'd go about it if I was on the Board. I'd sit down with Bolts and have a very serious conversation with him about the group and we're they're heading. I wouldn't stick my head in the sand and hope this works itself out. If he gave me some assurances that we were still on the right path, I'd give him more time, but I would certainly be asking why the @#$%&! the players seemed to not know WTF they're supoosed to be doing.

From a tactic position, I'd like to know exactly what the plan is, if the players are capable of pulling it off, and when did he think that would be.

I'd also like to talk to the senior playing group about their role and where they perceive the issues are.

After all, they're all professionals and not above criticism.

1 win in 16 and hoping that after 66 games we turn the corner is not a plan. Attitude and determination costs nothing.


I'm confident Judd's all over it with Bolton and reporting back to the board.


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Yep - I’m sure what you just described is already taking place

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:51 pm 
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I'm as frustrated as the xt supporter, but I have faith in what Bolts and the club are doing and much of the proof is already in the pudding.

1 - team makeup. SOS and Bolts have done the hardest part of the team rebuild. KPP. We have a gem in Charlie, Weitering whist struggling, is another piece, Harry is starting to come on and Marchbank has slotted in. These are the hardest players to recruit and develop. Ask Collingwood.

Our current problems are all due to us simply not having a solid midfield. Its Cripps, Murphy and daylight. I can see that Kennedy and Lang were to assist in that regard whilst our midfield recruits develop.

The thing is, finding midfielders through the draft isn't that difficult. Its the KPP's which we have done a very good job in getting.

2 - cohesion. Judd spoke about this on Footy Confidential. Its an area thats under increasing analysis, and its one we are certainly struggling with. But again for mine, the pieces in the puzzle are their. We've got a back 6 that is getting more and more settled. And time is the key here. Interesting that Port were pointed out as an example where even though a side adds a swag of good players, it can and does upset a teams cohesion.

Its why the last thing this list needs is any more change or upheaval.

In regard to Bolts coaching ability. I think too many are being way too harsh. He is lacking cattle and injuries are impacting that further. I think tat yes they've had a couple of bad days and poor decisions at selection table. But shit happens.

And as I say to our junior analysts - bring me solutions not problems. Nothing I see in this thread seems to be about the former.


That's precisely the way I'd go about it if I was on the Board. I'd sit down with Bolts and have a very serious conversation with him about the group and we're they're heading. I wouldn't stick my head in the sand and hope this works itself out. If he gave me some assurances that we were still on the right path, I'd give him more time, but I would certainly be asking why the @#$%&! the players seemed to not know WTF they're supoosed to be doing.

From a tactic position, I'd like to know exactly what the plan is, if the players are capable of pulling it off, and when did he think that would be.

I'd also like to talk to the senior playing group about their role and where they perceive the issues are.

After all, they're all professionals and not above criticism.

1 win in 16 and hoping that after 66 games we turn the corner is not a plan. Attitude and determination costs nothing.


I'm confident Judd's all over it with Bolton and reporting back to the board.


:lol: Oh well I can rest easy, then :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:55 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
Rexy wrote:
The Duke wrote:
AIRCAV wrote:
I'm as frustrated as the xt supporter, but I have faith in what Bolts and the club are doing and much of the proof is already in the pudding.

1 - team makeup. SOS and Bolts have done the hardest part of the team rebuild. KPP. We have a gem in Charlie, Weitering whist struggling, is another piece, Harry is starting to come on and Marchbank has slotted in. These are the hardest players to recruit and develop. Ask Collingwood.

Our current problems are all due to us simply not having a solid midfield. Its Cripps, Murphy and daylight. I can see that Kennedy and Lang were to assist in that regard whilst our midfield recruits develop.

The thing is, finding midfielders through the draft isn't that difficult. Its the KPP's which we have done a very good job in getting.

2 - cohesion. Judd spoke about this on Footy Confidential. Its an area thats under increasing analysis, and its one we are certainly struggling with. But again for mine, the pieces in the puzzle are their. We've got a back 6 that is getting more and more settled. And time is the key here. Interesting that Port were pointed out as an example where even though a side adds a swag of good players, it can and does upset a teams cohesion.

Its why the last thing this list needs is any more change or upheaval.

In regard to Bolts coaching ability. I think too many are being way too harsh. He is lacking cattle and injuries are impacting that further. I think tat yes they've had a couple of bad days and poor decisions at selection table. But shit happens.

And as I say to our junior analysts - bring me solutions not problems. Nothing I see in this thread seems to be about the former.


That's precisely the way I'd go about it if I was on the Board. I'd sit down with Bolts and have a very serious conversation with him about the group and we're they're heading. I wouldn't stick my head in the sand and hope this works itself out. If he gave me some assurances that we were still on the right path, I'd give him more time, but I would certainly be asking why the @#$%&! the players seemed to not know WTF they're supoosed to be doing.

From a tactic position, I'd like to know exactly what the plan is, if the players are capable of pulling it off, and when did he think that would be.

I'd also like to talk to the senior playing group about their role and where they perceive the issues are.

After all, they're all professionals and not above criticism.

1 win in 16 and hoping that after 66 games we turn the corner is not a plan. Attitude and determination costs nothing.


I'm confident Judd's all over it with Bolton and reporting back to the board.


:lol: Oh well I can rest easy, then :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:06 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Rexy wrote:
The Duke wrote:
AIRCAV wrote:
I'm as frustrated as the xt supporter, but I have faith in what Bolts and the club are doing and much of the proof is already in the pudding.

1 - team makeup. SOS and Bolts have done the hardest part of the team rebuild. KPP. We have a gem in Charlie, Weitering whist struggling, is another piece, Harry is starting to come on and Marchbank has slotted in. These are the hardest players to recruit and develop. Ask Collingwood.

Our current problems are all due to us simply not having a solid midfield. Its Cripps, Murphy and daylight. I can see that Kennedy and Lang were to assist in that regard whilst our midfield recruits develop.

The thing is, finding midfielders through the draft isn't that difficult. Its the KPP's which we have done a very good job in getting.

2 - cohesion. Judd spoke about this on Footy Confidential. Its an area thats under increasing analysis, and its one we are certainly struggling with. But again for mine, the pieces in the puzzle are their. We've got a back 6 that is getting more and more settled. And time is the key here. Interesting that Port were pointed out as an example where even though a side adds a swag of good players, it can and does upset a teams cohesion.

Its why the last thing this list needs is any more change or upheaval.

In regard to Bolts coaching ability. I think too many are being way too harsh. He is lacking cattle and injuries are impacting that further. I think tat yes they've had a couple of bad days and poor decisions at selection table. But shit happens.

And as I say to our junior analysts - bring me solutions not problems. Nothing I see in this thread seems to be about the former.


That's precisely the way I'd go about it if I was on the Board. I'd sit down with Bolts and have a very serious conversation with him about the group and we're they're heading. I wouldn't stick my head in the sand and hope this works itself out. If he gave me some assurances that we were still on the right path, I'd give him more time, but I would certainly be asking why the @#$%&! the players seemed to not know WTF they're supoosed to be doing.

From a tactic position, I'd like to know exactly what the plan is, if the players are capable of pulling it off, and when did he think that would be.

I'd also like to talk to the senior playing group about their role and where they perceive the issues are.

After all, they're all professionals and not above criticism.

1 win in 16 and hoping that after 66 games we turn the corner is not a plan. Attitude and determination costs nothing.


I'm confident Judd's all over it with Bolton and reporting back to the board.


:lol: Oh well I can rest easy, then :thumbsup:

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Would you rather Jeanne or MLG than Judd ?


Atre they the only 2 choices......in the world? WOW - That's a shallow pool.

Malthouse was sakced at this point of his tenure as coach. He was putrid and had lost the players long before that point. He had to go.

I'm sure you'd agree, because we've been here several times in the last 2 decades, that players suffer from 'loss fatigue' and they struggle to recover.

The club is bigger than every coach that's come and gone before, and Bolts is no different. If it's time to part ways, part ways we should.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:11 pm 
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I’d like to see Diesel Williams come back to princes park as a specialist skills coach and take SPS, Dow, Crippa and Kennedy under his wing.

These boys could do with a few sessions a week working with Diesel and Juddy developing their skills rather than spending hours on hours in a lecture theater.

Some of our players need to work on getting the fundamentals of the game rather than zones and presses.

Not sure how much skill work is being put into the young guns we have recruited. I’m not sure how much they would learn from Brent Stanton who butchered the ball at Essendon* and a Lanky 200cm

The hawks invested a lot of money into biomechanics and breaking down players kicking action and reprogramming each player technique. They even had a gymnast at one stage working on players leaping techniques.

Looking at our coaching panel and football department, I don’t see much in terms of specilaists skill coaches

Stanton, Davenport and Fraser don’t cut it for me.


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Malthouse effectively begged to be sakced in the end because he knew he'd [REDACTED] up so bad.

I'd much prefer Judd as footy director handling the footy side of things than Bear Gleeson and Sticks, wouldn't you ?


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Malthouse effectively begged to be sakced in the end because he knew he'd [REDACTED] up so bad.

I'd much prefer Judd as footy director handling the footy side of things than Bear Gleeson and Sticks, wouldn't you ?


I'm obviously not as close to the inner sanctum as you are to know one way or the other.

One thing I don't want to do is make judgement based on how much I loved Judd as a player. That would be stupid.

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Could do worse than Juddy and Diesel as skills coaches for the midfield whatever one would like to argue.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:49 pm 
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I don’t wanna develop our players into better people when they leave the club.

I wanna see our players playing unsociable football like Clarko had the Hawks playing during their years of domination.

I couldn’t care what they do off the field or if they go home and wish their parents a merry Christmas.
I just wanna see them play like men possessed and take the field with a win at all costs attitude.

When coaching collingwood Malthouse couldn’t care if his players got up to some mischief away from the club so long as they performed for him on the field which they did.

Bolton has this obsession about turning our boys into model citizens. flower that I say. Get them playing like beasts not like a bunch of pretty boys.


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AIRCAV wrote:
I'm as frustrated as the xt supporter, but I have faith in what Bolts and the club are doing and much of the proof is already in the pudding.

1 - team makeup. SOS and Bolts have done the hardest part of the team rebuild. KPP. We have a gem in Charlie, Weitering whist struggling, is another piece, Harry is starting to come on and Marchbank has slotted in. These are the hardest players to recruit and develop. Ask Collingwood.

Our current problems are all due to us simply not having a solid midfield. Its Cripps, Murphy and daylight. I can see that Kennedy and Lang were to assist in that regard whilst our midfield recruits develop.

The thing is, finding midfielders through the draft isn't that difficult. Its the KPP's which we have done a very good job in getting.

2 - cohesion. Judd spoke about this on Footy Confidential. Its an area thats under increasing analysis, and its one we are certainly struggling with. But again for mine, the pieces in the puzzle are their. We've got a back 6 that is getting more and more settled. And time is the key here. Interesting that Port were pointed out as an example where even though a side adds a swag of good players, it can and does upset a teams cohesion.

Its why the last thing this list needs is any more change or upheaval.

In regard to Bolts coaching ability. I think too many are being way too harsh. He is lacking cattle and injuries are impacting that further. I think tat yes they've had a couple of bad days and poor decisions at selection table. But shit happens.

And as I say to our junior analysts - bring me solutions not problems. Nothing I see in this thread seems to be about the former.


Agree
How many games have Rich lost to injuries in the last 30? SFA
They have that 'cohesion' in abundance

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The list is so unbalanced that an accurate assessment of Boltons ability is impossible.

I'm also not convinced either us or Brisbane is all that worried about the losses.


Agree totally with both those statements. That superdraft cant come quickly enough for SOS.

And for those who start drivelling on about playing for draft picks, no 1 picks etc, this is totally different. This is hopefully the culmination of 4 drafts where we are stockpiling a team with some thought put into how it is to be made up

When we drafted Kruezer, Murphy, Gibbs and then took Judd, we had NFI about long term list management. We thought that one player was going to be the panacea to cure our ills

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they also turfed a half dozen out on the full, and blew a lot of golden inside 50 chances with horrible decision making and basically stopped running in the last qtr. i can't see how anyone could have watched that game and then tell me with a straight face it didn't feel like a 50 pt loss.

bulldogs are a team desperately out of form - they're actually a woeful side right now, who happened to be younger and less experienced than us as well, and other than Cripps and levi, no player won their position on the night.


make no mistake. we are standing right in line to being the worst team in AFL history. very realistic to think we'll 0-11.

i'm not sure how any coach survives that, whether we like it or not.


Are we allowed to include all our stuff ups (misses, turnovers etc) or does that dilute your argument?


Depends what point you are trying to prove.

If we stuff up opportunities: Bad for coach. Means our players are poorly drilled and structured.

If the opposition stuff up: Bad for coach. Means we should have lost by more, and the scoreline flattered us.


good grief. we scored 59 points, and extended it out to 40 games since we broke the 100 pt barrier. we lost every position on the ground except for cripps, levi and charlie.


i cannot believe you guys are actually here trying to argue that a 21 point loss was somehow flattering to us?


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I don’t wanna develop our players into better people when they leave the club.

I wanna see our players playing unsociable football like Clarko had the Hawks playing during their years of domination.

I couldn’t care what they do off the field or if they go home and wish their parents a merry Christmas.
I just wanna see them play like men possessed and take the field with a win at all costs attitude.

When coaching collingwood Malthouse couldn’t care if his players got up to some mischief away from the club so long as they performed for him on the field which they did.

Bolton has this obsession about turning our boys into model citizens. flower that I say. Get them playing like beasts not like a bunch of pretty boys.


That's funny.
I kind of like this post.
Might be a bit of truth in it.
From what I understand its a generational thing and none to do with modern coaches.
I think the term for it is known as 'soft'

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trublu wrote:
I don’t wanna develop our players into better people when they leave the club.

I wanna see our players playing unsociable football like Clarko had the Hawks playing during their years of domination.

I couldn’t care what they do off the field or if they go home and wish their parents a merry Christmas.
I just wanna see them play like men possessed and take the field with a win at all costs attitude.

When coaching collingwood Malthouse couldn’t care if his players got up to some mischief away from the club so long as they performed for him on the field which they did.

Bolton has this obsession about turning our boys into model citizens. flower that I say. Get them playing like beasts not like a bunch of pretty boys.


That's funny.
I kind of like this post.
Might be a bit of truth in it.
From what I understand its a generational thing and none to do with modern coaches.
I think the term for it is known as 'soft'




Mongrel we need mongrel and really don't have that type of player who makes the others around him stand tall, and puts fear into the opposition. It is something missing from our team for a long time and most successful teams have several players with that intimidation factor.
MONGREL let's get some!


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Our next 5 games leading to the half way mark,

Adelaide
Essendon**
Melbourne
Geelong
Sydney Swans.

Chances are, we could be 0-11.

Will Bolton survive ?
The club has reacted in the past in similar circumstances.....

Interesting times ahead, esp with, if and what action the club will take Re Bolton !

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