DesEnglish wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
As a club we seem out of form. There’s a handful of players that are holding us together, and our playing style is ratshit.
I don’t know what we spent the offseason doing but, right now, it’s not working.
Who’s accountable?
Your first sentence is spot on. A moment in time.
The next 3 sentences don’t attribute anything to form, and looking for heads to roll instead of looking at why the form issue.
Here’s a clue:
These players have had a disrupted preseason or injured
Curnow McKay Newman Smith Walsh … our superstars … Boyd Durdin Pittonet Camporeale Cincotta O’Keefe Carroll, fantasia
You reckon that may have attributed to current form… and against that backdrop…we lost to flag faves by 3 goals. Umpires gave them 3, took 2 away from us and we missed 4 sitters hence 8.12 to 12.8
Come on…stick up for your team and be reasonable
Let’s start with we both want the same thing, Carlton to be successful.
Yes, we have injuries, but we haven’t developed depth. We also don’t have a game style that stands up unless those superstars fire. That’s a combination of failures for the 3 I named. I’d ask you to be reasonable and consider how I see it.
As for losing to the flag favourites, as you point out, it’s round 2, that’ll change half a dozen times before the season finishes.
I don’t wan to see another generation of players lost. Someone on here said if you can’t change the people, then change the people.
I do see your point of view, and respect it.
With the regards to your first point, on form, I ask the question if injury and and an interupted preseason to 13 players of its best players, may have something to do with the form of players.
Is that not a reasonable question? I am asking you to reason with that.
As for the other statements you make, "what we did in the preseason its not working",. I know that was facetious ss I didnt comment on that. Also, because I dont know what you're alluding to, so please explain what we practised in the preseason that is not working and why? and I will respond to that in a reasonable manner. Perhaps interupted preseason and health of players may be attributed to the form? Then if that's so, we can lookat who is accountable for form? That magical ingredient we would all like to bottle but can't. Furthermore Andrew Russell is not around to blame. Damn. We love scap[egoats at Carlton. I thought my response was reasonable, and asking if you would consider what I thought may be attributed to "form". fair?
I did watch the preseason games, and what they were practising in the preseason, so I will share. I did not once see the best 23 out there practising. But what I did witness the kids getting a go in praccy games. I did see a good controlled passing game, call it practising "Tempo", two games in a row, which I haven't seen thus far; and, I did see some sling shot attacks from the back half I haven't see thus far either. I also saw Harry being isolated to run into holes with ease. There was plenty of movement by our smalls in the forwardline, early in games, but haven't seen that either thus far.
The kids were getting a go. Maybe that was wrong to not fine tune with our best 23, (but we did have players training in the recovery group or out injured). I will share what I saw re development, your point in your response. Hope you become less disappointed in our development.
I thought Carroll provided great run and foot passing from the backline. That was something, and something I haven't seen thus far, but expect to IF he eludes Sydney Blues curse
I also saw O'Keefe against Pitto in the ruck. He was really impressive. Strong and agile. He's very young for a big boy, but definitely developing in the right direction. So much so, we were looking at him filling the Fwd Ruck position later this year if he keeps up this trajectory. Smith was dancing and he was ready for the big time and will only improve with time developing. Lucas was the stand out, and he adapted well, you know the rest. Lord looked stronger and fitter running through the middle giving it off and running past for the receive. That looked really good. He's still developing Moir looked bigger, stronger but his hunger for the contest needed some work, if it can be ingrained. All the abovementioned are 18yo-20yo. Lemmey was a bit lost playing 2nd fiddle to Harry. He may never make it anywhere, but we are still developing the 20yo.
I agree on form being the issue. I also know that form can be turned around, but its not by a flick of the switch, nor by blowing up the joint. The team is hurting and it needs the support of its Blue army. That is so obvious to me, as a human being. The oppression the team must be feeling from 50% of its passionate (yet unreasonable at times) supporter base, is an extra weight the boys don't need.
Why would TDK want to stick around Carlton if all he hear's is doom, gloom, booing and insults? Remember the insults "You're a disgrace to the name Silvagni" to SOS after a loss in 2023 before our 10 game winning streak?
Support and encouragement is what works. Failure to see trees for wood by supporters is because they don't actually know what is going on behind the 4 walls, and should act accordingly instead of squeeling the season is over after 2 rounds, and thinking they know everything. FFS I've got kids who are Carlton through and through and even though they are level headed, they can't block out the hysteria coming from our own, their cousins and on top of that the friggin media. Its the Salem witchhunt all over again. I try to find reason for form, game plan and hope. I have no reason after 2 games to want to blow up the joint, nor sack the coach. I look forward to the players evolving, getting fitter, and gelling to show what we know they can.
And FFS lets get this straight: contested ball has always been a part of Aussie rules. Its a physical game. We have the players who excell in that, and now we want to give that up. Usually the team that goes in harder and wins the contested ball wins the game. We have had more inside 50's than our opposition, won more contested ball than our opposition and only lost by a combined 5 goals after 2 rounds. One of those losses, we should have won with straight kicking was against the Flag Faves, the Hollywood Hawks. There's hope. We will find better form, then watch out.
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