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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:09 pm 
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Teague should have been sacked a fair while back.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:27 pm 
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jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2021-david-teague-sacked-plea-from-carlton-players-to-keep-coach-who-spoke-up-blues-players-tom-morris-news/news-story/260c34af7721b49ee66fa443468aa5ae?fbclid=IwAR3Na8d_snFc8EbXvCB6NhnzPxE_gzOlAv6vETpDmMx8VZUIR7VHn_eWc5k


Tom Morris?
There's a few journo's around that I'd listen to. Tom isn't close to making the list.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:33 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2021-david-teague-sacked-plea-from-carlton-players-to-keep-coach-who-spoke-up-blues-players-tom-morris-news/news-story/260c34af7721b49ee66fa443468aa5ae?fbclid=IwAR3Na8d_snFc8EbXvCB6NhnzPxE_gzOlAv6vETpDmMx8VZUIR7VHn_eWc5k


Tom Morris?
There's a few journo's around that I'd listen to. Tom isn't close to making the list.

Even if he's right and especially if he's right (but I doubt it), the players have no one to blame but themselves in this case. They must avenge their poor father's disgusting disgraceful cowardly execution by coming out next year and succeeding in honour of Papa Teague

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:45 pm 
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It was mentioned in the presser players weren't happy with the decision.

Smashing playing group morale is just really smart business.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:48 pm 
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It was mentioned in the presser players weren't happy with the decision.

Smashing playing group morale is just really smart business.


They’ve smashed the members, supporters and clubs morale, so maybe it’s time for them to harden the flower up!!! We’ve given them every opportunity thru Bolton and Teague to deliver via the ‘inclusive’ nature. Time to get serious.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:50 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
It was mentioned in the presser players weren't happy with the decision.

Smashing playing group morale is just really smart business.


They’ve smashed the members, supporters and clubs morale, so maybe it’s time for them to harden the flower up!!! We’ve given them every opportunity thru Bolton and Teague to deliver via the ‘inclusive’ nature. Time to get serious.


It's not the players fault - it's the board we are a revolving door of CEO's, List Managers, Head Coaches, Players you name it.

It's the culture that stinks and there is no stability.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:54 pm 
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However you want to look at it, it's been a big day. There are some strong opinions about this and I understand people's frustration. I thought Teague, through all this process, would have been kept on. But I was wrong. Having said that, the changes in the board and the football department is encouraging. I see the split on the assessment of our list. My respectful opinion is that I think we're better than where we finished. I think SPS wasn't given the right opportunity. A much better player when he is in the midfield. Eddie Betts went into bat for him as that is my understanding and Eddie seems to have a good rapport with David Teague. There may be a couple of other guys who were mismanaged but I'm not sure.

As much as it looks a poor look getting rid of another coach, what has happened alongside is the difference here, with assistant coaches and board members going as well. I don't think this decision was taken lightly and was said with a heavy heart. David Teague is a quality person and the club knew that. I think the process to employ him was flawed and that has bitten back at the club hard.

Perhaps watch this space as to more departures.

I have a feeling that even though I wasn't into Teague going that this process will serve us a well. Sometimes you have to go through a healing crisis before you get well. I think this is our healing crisis.

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Won’t disagree with everything starting off field. I agree.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:16 pm 
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zoneman wrote:
However you want to look at it, it's been a big day. There are some strong opinions about this and I understand people's frustration. I thought Teague, through all this process, would have been kept on. But I was wrong. Having said that, the changes in the board and the football department is encouraging. I see the split on the assessment of our list. My respectful opinion is that I think we're better than where we finished. I think SPS wasn't given the right opportunity. A much better player when he is in the midfield. Eddie Betts went into bat for him as that is my understanding and Eddie seems to have a good rapport with David Teague. There may be a couple of other guys who were mismanaged but I'm not sure.

As much as it looks a poor look getting rid of another coach, what has happened alongside is the difference here, with assistant coaches and board members going as well. I don't think this decision was taken lightly and was said with a heavy heart. David Teague is a quality person and the club knew that. I think the process to employ him was flawed and that has bitten back at the club hard.

Perhaps watch this space as to more departures.

I have a feeling that even though I wasn't into Teague going that this process will serve us a well. Sometimes you have to go through a healing crisis before you get well. I think this is our healing crisis.

Everyone have a great night.


Good post. Personally, I have no concerns with what the club has done with this review. A similarly robust process should have occurred when we sacked Bolts IMO. In fact, we should have done it after Pagan.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:30 pm 
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So we conduct a review which went for roughly 2 months and at the end we only SACK 2 assistant coaches and we also SACK our Senior Coach (who the review was supposedly not about)

Wow this is going well.


It wasn't about the senior coach. The review was of the football department which he was a member of. :?
What else did you want? The review obviously highlighted deficiencies and these changes were implemented to remediate the department.
Considering the club have viewed the report and we haven't, it's a bit rich to second guess them.


I think you find when the review was announced Liddle and MLG at the time were at pains to let everyone know that Daivd Teague wasn't under review. Go back and read all the articles and at the new sponsorship announcement Liddle categorically denied it and clearly stated this review doesn't include Teague and he will be coaching us in 2022.

You also don't waste 2 months on a review to only tip out 2 assistant coaches and your senior coach(who was not under review)
There's no second guessing facts are facts and so far 3 people only sacked after bringing 3 external people in to do a 2 month review.
It doesn't make sense


The key piece to the puzzle is that it was an Independent review that probably changed Teague position based on the feedback from players and others to the panel.

Language today, both verbal and body, leads me to think more critical change will come in other positions. Makes no sense to replace all roles at once.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:32 pm 
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jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2021-david-teague-sacked-plea-from-carlton-players-to-keep-coach-who-spoke-up-blues-players-tom-morris-news/news-story/260c34af7721b49ee66fa443468aa5ae?fbclid=IwAR3Na8d_snFc8EbXvCB6NhnzPxE_gzOlAv6vETpDmMx8VZUIR7VHn_eWc5k


So Jacob Weitering enjoys the Teague game plan that results in the ball hitting the backline every three seconds and giving the defenders next to no time to set up?

Right.

And the players thought he was going to keep his job?

Spare me.

Even Teague knew he was gone.

Obviously there’s a fair bit of bullshit in this article but regardless, if any of it has an inkling of truth I really couldn’t give a flying @#$%&! what the players think.

Not their job.

Anyone wants to take their ball and go home because they want daddy back can @#$%&! right off.

Morris is a muckraker.

Piss off idiot.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:33 pm 
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Interesting read on the 2016 Richmond review - and the rest is history


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... d.1181342/


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:34 pm 
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GWS wrote:
jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2021-david-teague-sacked-plea-from-carlton-players-to-keep-coach-who-spoke-up-blues-players-tom-morris-news/news-story/260c34af7721b49ee66fa443468aa5ae?fbclid=IwAR3Na8d_snFc8EbXvCB6NhnzPxE_gzOlAv6vETpDmMx8VZUIR7VHn_eWc5k


So Jacob Weitering enjoys the Teague game plan that results in the ball hitting the backline every three seconds and giving the defenders next to no time to set up?

Right.

And the players thought he was going to keep his job?

Spare me.

Even Teague knew he was gone.

Obviously there’s a fair bit of bullshit in this article but regardless, if any of it has an inkling of truth I really couldn’t give a flying @#$%&! what the players think.

Not their job.

Anyone wants to take their ball and go home because they want daddy back can @#$%&! right off.

Morris is a muckraker.

Piss off idiot.

Correct Teague knew he was gone mid season …

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:39 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Interesting read on the 2016 Richmond review - and the rest is history


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... d.1181342/


Good read and reminder to all. Not expecting a Premiership next year, but you never know :-)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:42 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
zoneman wrote:
However you want to look at it, it's been a big day. There are some strong opinions about this and I understand people's frustration. I thought Teague, through all this process, would have been kept on. But I was wrong. Having said that, the changes in the board and the football department is encouraging. I see the split on the assessment of our list. My respectful opinion is that I think we're better than where we finished. I think SPS wasn't given the right opportunity. A much better player when he is in the midfield. Eddie Betts went into bat for him as that is my understanding and Eddie seems to have a good rapport with David Teague. There may be a couple of other guys who were mismanaged but I'm not sure.

As much as it looks a poor look getting rid of another coach, what has happened alongside is the difference here, with assistant coaches and board members going as well. I don't think this decision was taken lightly and was said with a heavy heart. David Teague is a quality person and the club knew that. I think the process to employ him was flawed and that has bitten back at the club hard.

Perhaps watch this space as to more departures.

I have a feeling that even though I wasn't into Teague going that this process will serve us a well. Sometimes you have to go through a healing crisis before you get well. I think this is our healing crisis.

Everyone have a great night.


Good post. Personally, I have no concerns with what the club has done with this review. A similarly robust process should have occurred when we sacked Bolts IMO. In fact, we should have done it after Pagan.


Yeah , looking back the big problem was the way in which Teague landed the gig . He was gifted the job instead of earning it on his merits . .........................yep hindsight is crystal clear . Still , whats done is done and we must move on ...................shame coz Dave Teague was fearless and brave as any .

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This EGM is the last thing we need.
If we lose RossLyon because of this instability, I'll be very upset.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:56 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
thryleon wrote:
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/26/carlton-president-makes-bold-finals-prediction-hours-after-parting-ways-with/

Media headlines.................... :garthp:

.............“Our expectation based on the list that we have, we are looking to make finals in 2022,” Sayers told reporters.

“The Carlton Football Club is pursing winning games, getting ourselves into finals and winning premierships.


Not sure it was Bold or just a statement of fact. With our list fit and healthy and with a decent game plan, we certainly should be looking to make finals. Seems a logical statement to me.

What is he suppose to say............."Yeah we sacked Teague and now we are just hoping to make up the numbers in 2022."

That would help the membership drive. :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

Regards Cazzesman


Blowtorch well and truly on the next coach. Finals in 2 years or your out.


And don't you think their should be a blowtorch on the Coach with this list? At its best surely this list should be better than Essendon**.

Regards Cazzesman


Hmm.

No.

Why? 3 years ago we won a spoon. It wasn't the first of recent spoons, it was yet another spoon.

Bolton, with his game plan couldn't get the players up by the last 40 games of his tenure culminating in the most embarrassing performance I can remember against a GWS team that had less than 18 on the park.

I saw no reason that we should be playing finals at the start of this season barring everything going perfectly (it didnt)

Teague came in, released the shackles got the guys enjoying their footy again, and started coaching to win games.

Thats what we needed at the time. Since then, we have lost some stalwarts, had some horror runs with injury, delisted too many talls at end of last year leaving us short, and then just as we were heading into the most winnable part of the season, we declare a review which sucked the life out of the club and I think ultimately railroaded our season.

Thing is, I looked at the last months and saw the review and realised that it effectively brought forward next seasons pressure cooker that would have eventuated and simply ensures we don't waste more time, so it's not all a waste.

As for essendone, they have had a sustained strategy that has seen them sneak in early thanks to a bit of good fortune, and some of their previous strategy pay off. The opposite of what we've done. They had one president (little) come in, appoint some experienced heads and sign some proper players to get them going early post supplements. They brought in Thompson to pick up the pieces, then woosha to guide the club through the turmoil, and set about recovering. Then woosha handed over to rutten who was shown how to do the job before that, and bobs your uncle.

If you look at their list their older players are retiring and aren't broken down has been and more of their kids are coming on quickly because lets face it, they've been guided by a proper senior coach or theyre new and ahead of schedule.

We called our review about 6 years too late really. At worst it should have been done when Bolton was sacked.


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london blue wrote:
Interesting read on the 2016 Richmond review - and the rest is history


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... d.1181342/


Good find, thank you.

Reckon we have the most work to do in section 5 of that plan.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:19 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
sandramcd67 wrote:
I stupidly have a sense of optimism and excitement of what the future could hold for us.

Some things do not add up though why only Teague and Amos, why not liddle?

Step by step ,,, keep watching

Sayers is very methodical


Yep. I'm sensing that as well.
You cannot turf them all out at the same time. We need to keep the doors open. I wouldn't be surprised if Lloyd is the next to go followed by Liddle.
Sometime between now and the start of pre season.


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london blue wrote:
Interesting read on the 2016 Richmond review - and the rest is history


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... d.1181342/


Brilliant LB. Thanks.


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