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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:41 pm 
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All lame jokes aside, and it is being nit picky I know, but early on he said 'experienced' coach and then when asked he said either or experienced or not so experienced.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:41 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
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Its fantastic knowing an Accountant is more aware of game plans and available talent to the game plan.

We are definitely in the right hands - I await his next hissy fit.


Really? What part of Independent review do you not understand. Have a crack at Pavlich and those he collected information from.


Ok - we shall see next season how far we will get. Let's hope we dont consistently have eight key players out all year.

To say Teague ever had his best cattle on the ground to play to his brand of football is blind imo.

I respect the decision - but don't like it. It's far too shortsighted.

Walsh mate, you really need to understand that all clubs have injuries and a lot have long injury lists.
However, a good structured game plan or a coach that can pivot during games helps mitigate this standard AFL issue.
The fact is our game plan was too much attack and not enough defence, hence where we are at today.
There is no way to talk around these facts.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:42 pm 
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All lame jokes aside, and it is being nit picky I know, but early on he said 'experienced' coach and then when asked he said either or experienced or not so experienced.

I noticed that too and thought it was the only flaw in his whole press conference.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:46 pm 
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All lame jokes aside, and it is being nit picky I know, but early on he said 'experienced' coach and then when asked he said either or experienced or not so experienced.


Noticed that too. I think an experienced coach is Luke’s priority = Ross.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:51 pm 
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Considering the club have viewed the report and we haven't, it's a bit rich to second guess them.


WTF?

So what are we actually meant to do from the cheap seats?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:55 pm 
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I stupidly have a sense of optimism and excitement of what the future could hold for us.

Some things do not add up though why only Teague and Amos, why not liddle?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:57 pm 
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Baby and bath water...


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:59 pm 
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So we conduct a review which went for roughly 2 months and at the end we only SACK 2 assistant coaches and we also SACK our Senior Coach (who the review was supposedly not about)

Wow this is going well.


It wasn't about the senior coach. The review was of the football department which he was a member of. :?
What else did you want? The review obviously highlighted deficiencies and these changes were implemented to remediate the department.
Considering the club have viewed the report and we haven't, it's a bit rich to second guess them.


I think you find when the review was announced Liddle and MLG at the time were at pains to let everyone know that Daivd Teague wasn't under review. Go back and read all the articles and at the new sponsorship announcement Liddle categorically denied it and clearly stated this review doesn't include Teague and he will be coaching us in 2022.

You also don't waste 2 months on a review to only tip out 2 assistant coaches and your senior coach(who was not under review)
There's no second guessing facts are facts and so far 3 people only sacked after bringing 3 external people in to do a 2 month review.
It doesn't make sense


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:03 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
deano35 wrote:
So we conduct a review which went for roughly 2 months and at the end we only SACK 2 assistant coaches and we also SACK our Senior Coach (who the review was supposedly not about)

Wow this is going well.


It wasn't about the senior coach. The review was of the football department which he was a member of. :?
What else did you want? The review obviously highlighted deficiencies and these changes were implemented to remediate the department.
Considering the club have viewed the report and we haven't, it's a bit rich to second guess them.


I think you find when the review was announced Liddle and MLG at the time were at pains to let everyone know that Daivd Teague wasn't under review. Go back and read all the articles and at the new sponsorship announcement Liddle categorically denied it and clearly stated this review doesn't include Teague and he will be coaching us in 2022.

You also don't waste 2 months on a review to only tip out 2 assistant coaches and your senior coach(who was not under review)
There's no second guessing facts are facts and so far 3 people only sacked after bringing 3 external people in to do a 2 month review.
It doesn't make sense


Sackings aren’t the only outcome.

Sayers said there are numerous issues raised by the review and they’ll be working through them all.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:05 pm 
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Considering the club have viewed the report and we haven't, it's a bit rich to second guess them.


WTF?

So what are we actually meant to do from the cheap seats?


Roll jaffas and relive our youth...................you know...............when CFC was good................... :cry: :cry:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:06 pm 
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Interesting snipet from the Age

Amid widespread criticism about their handling of Teague and the review process, Sayers said that it had been Teague’s preference not to bring his future to a head until the end of the season.

So is it safe to say all the rabid Media speculation was bought on by DT himself, wanting to see out the Season.

Kinda changes the entire landscape of the past few weeks. :eek: :eek: :eek:


Regards Cazzesman




i think people are missing this peice of infomation, or just choosing to ignore it.

for me, it changes everything.

this puts the entire scenario onto teague and it some aspects, shows he didnt want to face the reality becuase he had unrealstic expectations of the list, or wasnt capable, either way if it was his choice to do this, then its on him the media outcry and weekly questions about it

hingsight is wonderful, but he really should have reviewed all of this as soon as possible, and then spent the reason of the season trying to rememdy the situation (and perhaps he did hence some of the adjustments made) ... that would habe been a vastly different scenario to the one we have today.

he perhaps could have used this time, to implement changes and show the board he was the right person for the job, or, made the decision he wasnt and stood down effective immediately ...

i think the entire narrative changes with this peice of infomation.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:10 pm 
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Can someone please list the current standing board members as of today ? Thanks


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:14 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
deano35 wrote:
So we conduct a review which went for roughly 2 months and at the end we only SACK 2 assistant coaches and we also SACK our Senior Coach (who the review was supposedly not about)

Wow this is going well.


It wasn't about the senior coach. The review was of the football department which he was a member of. :?
What else did you want? The review obviously highlighted deficiencies and these changes were implemented to remediate the department.
Considering the club have viewed the report and we haven't, it's a bit rich to second guess them.


I think you find when the review was announced Liddle and MLG at the time were at pains to let everyone know that Daivd Teague wasn't under review. Go back and read all the articles and at the new sponsorship announcement Liddle categorically denied it and clearly stated this review doesn't include Teague and he will be coaching us in 2022.

You also don't waste 2 months on a review to only tip out 2 assistant coaches and your senior coach(who was not under review)
There's no second guessing facts are facts and so far 3 people only sacked after bringing 3 external people in to do a 2 month review.
It doesn't make sense


Judging by the body language* at the Media conference (* I am a zero body language expert) It appeared as if Liddle may have had the riot act read to him.

The words.....Looking Sheepish spring to mind.

Could it be that he has been told to stay in his own lane and mind his own business when it comes to Football Department Issues.
Financially he appears to have been very successful at garnering Memberships and Sponsors so he gets a tick for that.

Suggestions that he had formed a clique may have been raised in discussions with the new President. Perhaps he was given some ultimatums in that regard. If Liddle and SOS had a falling out as suggested, he will need some good bridge building skills with Lyon.

Maybe Sayers has given him a few months to show the new Board configeration why he shouldn't be asked to move on.

Also only Lloyd knows if he can work with Lyon should he get the job as Coach.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:21 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
So we conduct a review which went for roughly 2 months and at the end we only SACK 2 assistant coaches and we also SACK our Senior Coach (who the review was supposedly not about)

Wow this is going well.

Give us a spell :roll:

Maybe the review identified areas which could be improved without needing to SAKC everyone in sight (ie. via better defined roles & responsibilities, change of reporting lines etc)?

Maybe some assistants (ie. Bruce, Power, DOK) came out of the review better than others (ie. Stanton, Amos)?

Maybe contracts are a factor (ie. perhaps our soft cap can’t cope with paying out too many contracted staff in one hit)?

Maybe there will be more changes once the new senior coach is appointed?

Maybe the CEO’s performance was not in scope of the review (Sayers & Liddle said as much at today’s presser) and maybe his position will be considered over the summer (I don’t imagine the club want to be searching for a new CEO at the same time as it is recruiting a new senior coach and this close to the trade/draft period)?

We (including the media) are speculating because we don’t have access to all the data, but I reckon enough blood has been split for one day. Don’t forget the executive summary of the review reported positively on some areas of the football department.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:23 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
The Normal One wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Its fantastic knowing an Accountant is more aware of game plans and available talent to the game plan.

We are definitely in the right hands - I await his next hissy fit.


Really? What part of Independent review do you not understand. Have a crack at Pavlich and those he collected information from.


Ok - we shall see next season how far we will get. Let's hope we dont consistently have eight key players out all year.

To say Teague ever had his best cattle on the ground to play to his brand of football is blind imo.

I respect the decision - but don't like it. It's far too shortsighted.


Could always counter argue that Teague should of adapted the way we played to suit the personnel we had out there in that case.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:27 pm 
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sandramcd67 wrote:
I stupidly have a sense of optimism and excitement of what the future could hold for us.

Some things do not add up though why only Teague and Amos, why not liddle?

Step by step ,,, keep watching

Sayers is very methodical

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:29 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
All lame jokes aside, and it is being nit picky I know, but early on he said 'experienced' coach and then when asked he said either or experienced or not so experienced.


I think he realised saying experienced made it sound too obvious who we were getting to be coach.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:35 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Walsh wrote:
The Normal One wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Its fantastic knowing an Accountant is more aware of game plans and available talent to the game plan.

We are definitely in the right hands - I await his next hissy fit.


Really? What part of Independent review do you not understand. Have a crack at Pavlich and those he collected information from.


Ok - we shall see next season how far we will get. Let's hope we dont consistently have eight key players out all year.

To say Teague ever had his best cattle on the ground to play to his brand of football is blind imo.

I respect the decision - but don't like it. It's far too shortsighted.


Could always counter argue that Teague should of adapted the way we played to suit the personnel we had out there in that case.


All coaches want to imprint their personality on the squad over time. Hardwick had to bring in a few players to play to his brand as did Clarkson with Gibson, Dew, Burgoyne and many others. It takes time.

These coaches didnt win flags after 50 games. But they shot up the ladder when they got the players they needed.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:59 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All lame jokes aside, and it is being nit picky I know, but early on he said 'experienced' coach and then when asked he said either or experienced or not so experienced.


Noticed that too. I think an experienced coach is Luke’s priority = Ross.

I rewatched the presser - when he was asked that question (19:40 mark), Sayers said "We will explore all options...experienced as a head coach, and also maybe not experienced as a head coach," meaning it could be someone highly experienced as an assistant who they're confident can transition to senior coach. Either way the term experienced is not necessarily localised to a head coach - Chris Fagan wasn't experienced as a head coach for example, but certainly still had experience.


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