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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:23 am 
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King also said all the journos should just boycott one of MM's pressers.
It was quite amusing.
Look, if it brays like a donkey...

still I agree, that is still a different issue as to whether he should continue coaching till the contract's end. hopefully, we really start to improve next year.
it crosses my mind that Judd might be someone that MM could mentor next year,
and then....

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:29 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
King also said all the journos should just boycott one of MM's pressers.
It was quite amusing.
Look, if it brays like a donkey...

still I agree, that is still a different issue as to whether he should continue coaching till the contract's end. hopefully, we really start to improve next year.
it crosses my mind that Judd might be someone that MM could mentor next year,
and then....


To the first bit - I think Mick would enjoy not having to do the presser so boycotting it would be to his benefit.

Secondly - Judd has said he doesn't want to coach.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:44 am 
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So so sad. No idea a lot of posters.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:30 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
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Thankyou Mark Maclure.
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Mark Maclure speaks as he played.....no stuffing around, and do the job right now as it has to be done.

Love him on that program as I loved him as a player.

We will do it old school way, well it does not work this way anymore. Recommends McKay for CEO role 2 weeks ago . Recommends we re sign mm 4 weeks ago.I like McClure but he is a perfect example what is wrong with this club , living in the past not embracing the future. Jobs for the boys.

Trigger,
Don't you think it's ok to think MM is the man to coach ,whilst still admitting to his glaring flaws?
It's weird how you joined up around the time MM joined CFC.
am I saying you might be wearing malty colored glasses?
yes, I think I am.
i just think it's pointless trying to dissuade those of us who clearly don't like the way the man conducts himself.
I am one who thinks he should probably see his contract out.
I am also dead against re signing him as I think he is an extremely poor role model for the boys, and a very poor spokesman for our club.

Right o, i am christy, that should make you feel better.
Lets get Ratten back, that would make you happy no doubt.
He is a poor role model for the players now is he, so you must know the inner workings of the club very well then.
He is trying to fix the shambles which is our footy dept, set up by Ratten and Sticks and he is not going anywhere soon.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:57 am 
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The media certainly want him gone. We need to get Tom, Sam, Tim and Maclure all on board to stop this.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:10 am 
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This is beginning to look like one of the typical media driven coach sackings.

They smell blood. They're not going to stop until we take the easy way out and sack him.


I sincerely hope Robbo, Ralph and Maclure aren't running the agenda for the club. Because that's the calibre of public comment underway at present. I couldn't be less interested or concerned at anything those types are saying.


Neither could I.

However, someone is buying the HS, someone watches fox footy religiously and believes every word Robbo and Gerard say and there are people who listen to SEN all day.

One can only hope MLG stands tall and doesn't give in to the masses.


I hope in some way he does. I think a lot of you are missing the point.

Whether you believe MM is the right person or not to be coach (and I do) he is a very poor "brand ambassador" for the club and whether he likes it or not that is an important part of his role. Clubs are owned by members and if you aren't considering their point of view you are losing them. There is a reason our membership figures are so low.

Maclure was right when he said the average Carlton fan out there has no idea what we are doing or what our direction is. We keep getting mixed messages and most are from Mick.

A lot of people will always have a crack at him when ever possible because over the past 30 years of coaching he has been rude and disrespectful to most and has many enemies. We can debate it all people like whether it's right or not but it is a fact. Most journalists refuse to deal with him.

His attitude on Saturday was petulant and childish. Where was his focus when the game was tight at HT? He was more worried about a camera. It happens every game and whether he likes it or not it will continue.

IMO MM needs to realise that a coach these days wear's many hats and that he needs to start treating people with the respect he believes he deserves. It's a two way street. If he does that we won't have these problems and the club will be better for it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:25 am 
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I'm pleased that we him. Although the match day game plans seems slightly out-dated, it appears he is giving them discipline and proper development. This is something that was lacking with Ratten. With the players on our list, we need a hard-arse coach like Malthouse to put them in their place.

I believe our next coach will reap the rewards that Malthouse is currently doing at the moment.

According to some of the respectable sources on TC, do you blame him for demoting Waite and Garlett? In addition, the same sources have notified us that Murphy and Gibbs have been able to absorb the constructive criticism that they have absorbed recently. If that's the case, it appears that it has showed with their performances recently.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:09 am 
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Are there any paid up members in this thread that can categorically state right now that they will not be renewing their membership next year SOLELY because they think MM is a meanie? Happy with everything else off-field and on win lose or draw, just won't sign up til MM is gone coz he's a meanie to journos?

Didn't think so.

This whole 'MM represents the brand poorly coz he clips journos and our membership is suffering because of it' angle is garbage. Certainly hasn't stopped Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood (while MM was there), Geelong etc from posting high memberships despite having coaches that are far from cooperative and presentable. But again, success and/or a decent amount of wins wouldn't have much to do with that would it?

Moving on...


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:26 am 
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Are there any paid up members in this thread that can categorically state right now that they will not be renewing their membership next year SOLELY because they think MM is a meanie? Happy with everything else off-field and on win lose or draw, just won't sign up til MM is gone coz he's a meanie to journos?

Didn't think so.

This whole 'MM representsthe brand poorly coz he clips journos and our membership is suffering because of it' angle is garbage. Certainly hasn't stopped Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood (while MM was there), Geelong etc from posting high memberships despite having coaches that are far from cooperative and presentable. But again, success and/or a decent amount of wins wouldn't have much to do with that would it?

Moving on...


Sorry Scotty but that will go down as one of the most uninformed and naive comments ever on this site. How many NEW members won't sign up because of the poor image projected by MM? Our numbers are low now. If you aren't improving you are going backwards. How does it then affect sponsorship, game attendance, merchandise etc?

That would be the figures that concerns me more.

If we don't have the revenue how do we improve admin, recruiting, development, coaching, support etc?

You can't seriously tell me that if Mick was more gracious towards people we wouldn't be better off?

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Mick ought to think about life beyond coaching - it may come around quicker than he thinks...


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Rexy wrote:
Mick ought to think about life beyond coaching - it may come around quicker than he thinks...


No one would have a job if Rexy was in charge.
Sakc everyone.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:44 am 
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dane wrote:
So so sad. No idea a lot of posters.


How many goals u kicked?

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Rexy wrote:
Mick ought to think about life beyond coaching - it may come around quicker than he thinks...


I believe he will actually be given a contract extension and be at the club for a minimum 5 years.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:59 am 
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I think Sellars is angry that The Blue Print seems to have been axed. If not, I cant see him do an interview with MM in the future. The whole thing is a media beat up. I urge everybody to watch the Presser in Sydney and tell me how MM bullied anyone. The media loves trying to haunt people out of their jobs, especially someones who has stood up to them.

The issue is that the headline messages about the clubs direction have to come from the President and the CEO, not the coach. The problem is the Club's inability to present supporters with a consistent message.

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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Mick ought to think about life beyond coaching - it may come around quicker than he thinks...


I believe he will actually be given a contract extension and be at the club for a minimum 5 years.


3 year deal, or 2 + 1?

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They know our board have a history of sacking coaches and thinking it will solve all our issues.


They have a history of not thinking carefully about who they appoint.

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1) I think Mick has been good for player development. Some of the hard lessons are being taught. This is obvious. People can argue until they're hoarse that Ratts' gameplan won us finals...... but I don't think anyone honestly thinks that particular group of players was hard enough to win a prelim or a grand final.

2) Although I think Mick is currently doing great things for our playing group, and good things for our list (maybe aside from Thomas who is up for debate), my gut feeling after seeing him perform this year is that he might not be around to lead us to our next premiership. I'd be happy if he rebuilt our playing squad and left it in good shape for the next coach.

3) I wish Sellers would keep his mouth shut on this issue, and not stoke the flames, but at the same time I have admired him in the past for his ability to talk straight and not sugar coat things. That said he is clearly not a progressive, innovative thinker.

4) A week is a long time in the world of AFL "journalism". If people play their cards right, and Mick minds how he goes on Friday, this will blow over. If Collingwood lose again, and Eddie keeps putting his foot in his mouth, they will switch their attention.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:14 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
Are there any paid up members in this thread that can categorically state right now that they will not be renewing their membership next year SOLELY because they think MM is a meanie? Happy with everything else off-field and on win lose or draw, just won't sign up til MM is gone coz he's a meanie to journos?

Didn't think so.

This whole 'MM representsthe brand poorly coz he clips journos and our membership is suffering because of it' angle is garbage. Certainly hasn't stopped Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood (while MM was there), Geelong etc from posting high memberships despite having coaches that are far from cooperative and presentable. But again, success and/or a decent amount of wins wouldn't have much to do with that would it?

Moving on...


Sorry Scotty but that will go down as one of the most uninformed and naive comments ever on this site. How many NEW members won't sign up because of the poor image projected by MM? Our numbers are low now. If you aren't improving you are going backwards. How does it then affect sponsorship, game attendance, merchandise etc?

That would be the figures that concerns me more.

If we don't have the revenue how do we improve admin, recruiting, development, coaching, support etc?

You can't seriously tell me that if Mick was more gracious towards people we wouldn't be better off?

Histrionics psych. Most naive and uninformed EVER? Give me a break.

You can't assure anyone that our membership would improve one iota if MM wasn't perceived to be prickly to certain journos. Just look around at the membership complaints we have from current members re: lack of communication via the club, lack of connectedness for interstate members, lack of advertising, subpar handling of membership extensions and transfers. Also hard to expect new members to wanna come on board when we're at 5-11. MM being perceived as grumpy by some is probably well at the bottom for me in terms of reasons our membership may stall further.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:18 am 
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barass wrote:
Keogh, you ever been in a leadership position?

If so have you had to deal with a similar scenario? Just curious as MLG's credentials from my understanding are strong.

BTW, I think Malthouse is on the right path ... pretty soon players like Carrazzo, Walker and Simpson will not be walk up starts.



Yes I have and it's best to talk to the offender behind closed doors
But this is different
This club stands for everything poor
Going right back to when Bradley and co were handed brown bags of cash under the table over a decade ago
We named the cafe ana acquatic centre after a convicted criminal and serial bankcrupted loopy

We have a coach whose behaviour and complete disrespect for others just doing thei job sat night was a disgrace

A perfect opportunity for MLG to stamp his authority on the joint and preside over a culture change by giving MM a media bake and putting everyone on notice

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:48 am 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
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Scotty12000 wrote:
Are there any paid up members in this thread that can categorically state right now that they will not be renewing their membership next year SOLELY because they think MM is a meanie? Happy with everything else off-field and on win lose or draw, just won't sign up til MM is gone coz he's a meanie to journos?

Didn't think so.

This whole 'MM representsthe brand poorly coz he clips journos and our membership is suffering because of it' angle is garbage. Certainly hasn't stopped Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood (while MM was there), Geelong etc from posting high memberships despite having coaches that are far from cooperative and presentable. But again, success and/or a decent amount of wins wouldn't have much to do with that would it?

Moving on...


Sorry Scotty but that will go down as one of the most uninformed and naive comments ever on this site. How many NEW members won't sign up because of the poor image projected by MM? Our numbers are low now. If you aren't improving you are going backwards. How does it then affect sponsorship, game attendance, merchandise etc?

That would be the figures that concerns me more.

If we don't have the revenue how do we improve admin, recruiting, development, coaching, support etc?

You can't seriously tell me that if Mick was more gracious towards people we wouldn't be better off?

Histrionics psych. Most naive and uninformed EVER? Give me a break.

You can't assure anyone that our membership would improve one iota if MM wasn't perceived to be prickly to certain journos. Just look around at the membership complaints we have from current members re: lack of communication via the club, lack of connectedness for interstate members, lack of advertising, subpar handling of membership extensions and transfers. Also hard to expect new members to wanna come on board when we're at 5-11. MM being perceived as grumpy by some is probably well at the bottom for me in terms of reasons our membership may stall further.


Not sure where you get "histrionics" from? Just thought it was a discussion point.

In fairness if you don't understand the effect the "faces" of a club have on brand, culture and as a result it's revenue then there really is no point to discussing further.

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