i'd have thrown the kitchen sink to get ginnivan. that kind of electric, unpredictable forward craft from a small, we just don't have. I would mid year when henry from freo wanted out, would have started to court him.

those two alone are a big upgrade from what we have.

i also wouldn't have signed pittonet to 4 years. maybe 1 year tops, but more than likely would have moved on from him and gov's contracts to free up some cap to make a signing elsewhere.

chased a more mobile ruck who offers some repeat efforts and marking around the ground too.


the honest reality is, as much as last season was the most enjoyable one in the last two decades, the 9-game win streak came about not from coaching, or management or planning. we stumbled into it when injuries forced us to go smaller and mobile - re more tailored to the modern game.

i can see us going back to middle of the road plodding next season with this current group. i can also see us playing top 4 finals, but the brutal way which voss insists on playing, doesn't stand up to a 30 week season. imo

Ginnivan has strong Jaidyn Stephenson vibes.

I would also take Ginniven if cheap with attitude clauses in his contract. We dont have that electric X factor. Imagine his strut around Charlie. But thats if he had the right attitude. Imagine him going off against Collingwood and the crowd would go ape.

Risk and reward. Sometimes.

No guys. He's a flog and don't want him anywhere near the team environment.

I don't think I could cop that.

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Bit harsh chaps

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Hey, I was going to say cauliflower originally!

Assuming we get Hollands done, that leaves three vacant spots… is that right?

Started with 45 (one too many)…

OUT: Fisher, O’Brien, Dow, Honey, Philp, Plowman & Ed
IN: Hollands, 2x Irish, 3x Local

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Don't get people comparing SOS's record versus Curly junior . Bit rough considering when SOS took over the joint was a shithole and the place was at rock bottom . Reckon Curly jnr came into a far superior environment . Fair's fair boys .

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This year, we had 2 players that wanted out (1 was contracted) and the other would have stayed if we wanted him. Bottom line - they both had value.
IMO, Fisher was worth pick 25 on its own. Never should have moved our pick 17 back. North had a four year offer on the table for a reason – they valued and wanted him. It was time for us to get above value in a trade. We didn't and this trade was the light bulb moment on what was about to come next.
SoS chased Dow knowing he would get him cheaply and played it that way. We had to make a statement and stand firm with this trade. Upgrading future 4th and 3rd picks, which might or might not be a big difference in value, as Bulldogs, Saints and Bombers won’t be bottom 4, is just plain smoke and mirrors on our behalf. In fact - terrible trading with the player involved.
StKilda should have either payed a 2nd rounder (which IMO is Dow’s value, even including other trade examples) or he has the option to find another way to get to the club of his choice. Dow’s management would not have let that happen and SoS would have come up with a trade.
Finally, every Carlton supporter I have spoken with, is confused by both these trades.
In my very own words (come at me as I’m sure I know you will, as I won’t be biting back) – we aren’t very good at this!!!!
End of Statement.

Would you have been happy if we'd paid a second rounder for an out of contract depth player?

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What did we pay for Blake Acres?
Acres >>> Dow.

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I tend to agree with you on Fisher however we can't be sure that North would have accepted that deal. Regardless it sounds like there probably isn't much difference between picks 17 and 21 in this years draft. Outside the top 10 it sounds like you can throw a blanket over the next 15-20 players.
Dow is an out of contract fringe player with only one club interested, so we were never going to get anything of value.
I remember a couple of years ago you thought we should have got a first rounder for SPS so maybe you over value some of our players.

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I think Carlton supporters are confused by these trades because we have never had to bank up points for father and sons in the past.

You have to believe and have faith Austin knows what he is doing.

Also for Dow, we did pick up an extra fourth round pick as we gave up Dow and future 3rd and 4th, for Future 3rd, and 2 X Future 4th.

As i have read elsewhere the Dow trade could make it easier to get the Campo boys.

I'll put my hand up. I've been one who has been critical of the Dow deal. However, agree maybe I and others should wait and see what transpires so we can view the deal in its entirety. If as reported the Essendon** 3rd rounder plus dropping down a measly 2 spots in the draft order this year (26 to 28) gets us Elijah Hollands and we as you said still have those 4th rounders to help build points for the Campo twins, then it is good business all round.

I love the notion that on the one hand we got screwed on the Dow deal, and on the other hand the correct move was to give Dow away for literally nothing.

That would really show them

We could have kept Dow and Fisher. We could have even kept O'Brien or Honey/Philp.
And then had no spots on the list to pick up any youngsters in the draft. (Keep in mind, we are required to utilise the draft)
Would that be the preference? To take no kids and keep fringe players who haven't nailed down a spot after 6 years in the system.
You can't have both.

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I think the writing was on the wall for all these players to be moved, some earlier than others. That's not my point.
My point is that we need to do better at the trade table and have been Mr Nice for too long.
Yes, I would have made a statement with Dow, if that is what it took. Small points lost in the end but statement would have made some impact.