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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:45 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/26/carlton-president-makes-bold-finals-prediction-hours-after-parting-ways-with/

Media headlines.................... :garthp:

.............“Our expectation based on the list that we have, we are looking to make finals in 2022,” Sayers told reporters.

“The Carlton Football Club is pursing winning games, getting ourselves into finals and winning premierships.


Not sure it was Bold or just a statement of fact. With our list fit and healthy and with a decent game plan, we certainly should be looking to make finals. Seems a logical statement to me.



What is he suppose to say............."Yeah we sacked Teague and now we are just hoping to make up the numbers in 2022."

That would help the membership drive. :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

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Blowtorch well and truly on the next coach. Finals in 2 years or your out.


And don't you think their should be a blowtorch on the Coach with this list? At its best surely this list should be better than Essendon****.

Regards Cazzesman

I disagree Cazzeman
Our recruiting is the problem more so than coaching
We have so many overrated players on our list a couple of stars and not a lot of depth in the midfield
Clearly the board thinks otherwise
Nothing has changed for me other than Sayers is a better speaker than the Blues Brother


Are they over-rated or under developed and therefor under performing as a result? That is the big question we all want answered.

I think guys like SPS, McGovern, Dow, O'Brien, Setterfield and Fisher all have the AFL skill set, but they all (lesser extent with Fisher) lack the ability to play fierce, physical contested football consistently. The playing staff have not been able to instill that into them which an issue with the coaching staff.

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I would suggest as a start that they all learn to do the basics well.
- to chase hard, that is sprinting after the guy with the ball not just coralling,
- able to kick with either foot
- able and willing to block for a team mate
- kick straight
- stick tackles
- communicate to one another (ie so we do not have 2 or more players all trying to tackle 1 opposition player)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:03 pm 
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i am ok with board decision except 1 thing our list is OVERRATED big time ,need to take the blinkers off and players like plowman,setters,sps,are not good enough for example.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:05 pm 
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i am ok with board decision except 1 thing our list is OVERRATED big time ,need to take the blinkers off and players like plowman,setters,sps,are not good enough for example.
You think that those three players result in our list being big time OVERRATED?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:10 pm 
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Is it too ridiculous to suggest that our captains should be changed.

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No it’s not ridiculous. I would relieve Cripps & Docherty of the captaincy and tell them to focus on getting their bodies right and getting back to playing elite footy.

Weitering (captain) & Walsh (vice captain) works for me.


I second that

All for one , and one for all ....

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:30 pm 
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jamespul65 wrote:
i am ok with board decision except 1 thing our list is OVERRATED big time ,need to take the blinkers off and players like plowman,setters,sps,are not good enough for example.

Very true


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:30 pm 
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jamespul65 wrote:
i am ok with board decision except 1 thing our list is OVERRATED big time ,need to take the blinkers off and players like plowman,setters,sps,are not good enough for example.

Very true


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:58 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
zoneman wrote:
Is it too ridiculous to suggest that our captains should be changed.

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No it’s not ridiculous. I would relieve Cripps & Docherty of the captaincy and tell them to focus on getting their bodies right and getting back to playing elite footy.

Weitering (captain) & Walsh (vice captain) works for me.


I second that

All for one , and one for all ....
Third... Fourth what ever... I read the review summary this way also.... Leadership across the all areas....
Won't hurt Cripps and Doc either.. They seem to have a bit going on!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:59 pm 
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Who the hell really knows for sure where the on-field problems lie and certainly, no-one can guarantee a solution that will deliver the success we all crave:
- Is it the coach with a poor game plan, or not able to communicate the right game plan, or not able to effectively motivate/teach them?
- Is it the recruiting team who have consistently recruited the wrong (type of) players?
- Is it poor development?

It's probably some combination. But I'd lean towards the first and last points more heavily - I cannot believe that we have consistently stuffed up the recruiting esp when there were other clubs who rated most of our picks about the same as we did (Dow, SPS for sure. Less so O'Brien. Not sure about Stocker and Kemp.)

In terms of the Board, surely those who have been knocking the Board would be happy that there is significant Board turnover, as well as a new leader?
Many of those knocking the Board were claiming that this is all BS b/c unless we change the Board, it will be the same shit all over again - well, the Board is going to be immediately different.

IN ANY EVENT, CAN WE PLEASE DIAL DOWN THE PERSONAL ABUSE. My first point above is the key - we all have our views but the truth is no-one can be sure that their fix will work, AND that's even assuming they are right about what the problems are!!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:00 pm 
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I agree, except I would make JSOS a VC before Walsh.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:04 pm 
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I would keep Cripps as Captain.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:05 pm 
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So, does the email mean that Lloyd is staying or just that further changes will need to be made, which may include others leaving too?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:11 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I agree, except I would make JSOS a VC before Walsh.


Disagree.

Weitering captain and Walsh as his Vice


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:12 pm 
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I’m still not over them shafting Ratts


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:13 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
So, does the email mean that Lloyd is staying or just that further changes will need to be made, which may include others leaving too?


Lloyd must go. Might not happen until Lyon is made coach. Though I suspect Lloyd will step down soon.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:22 pm 
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So we conduct a review which went for roughly 2 months and at the end we only SACK 2 assistant coaches and we also SACK our Senior Coach (who the review was supposedly not about)

Wow this is going well.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:32 pm 
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A snippet from the review "findings":

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– Good list management processes are now in place, including detailed analysis undertaken to support list management and recruitment decisions.


When they say "now" what do they mean? Surely they cant be serious? List management has been an issue for years... and yet the list is now perceived as "good". How exactly?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:34 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
So we conduct a review which went for roughly 2 months and at the end we only SACK 3 assistant coaches, 4 board members retire and we also SACK our Senior Coach..........so far.

This is going well, bring on 2022.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:37 pm 
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So we conduct a review which went for roughly 2 months and at the end we only SACK 2 assistant coaches and we also SACK our Senior Coach (who the review was supposedly not about)

Wow this is going well.


It wasn't about the senior coach. The review was of the football department which he was a member of. :?
What else did you want? The review obviously highlighted deficiencies and these changes were implemented to remediate the department.
Considering the club have viewed the report and we haven't, it's a bit rich to second guess them.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:38 pm 
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jim wrote:
The review missed the main issue. 20 years of lazy, half arsed, unmotivated playing efforts with a terrible playing culture. Just about every coach the players gave up on by years 3. Same confusion with game plans no matter who's been in charge. Players have got away with it again while the coach copped it in the neck. Means nothing will change. Next coach will be screwed in 3 years too. Hopefully we get a one year honeymoon period which might lift us over the threshold temporarily before it crashes.

I guess you missed the part with the focus being on High Performance going forward.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:40 pm 
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Pretty disappointed about the press conference, that nobody asked Luke if the board have discussed whether or not the club will cease overlaying cheap 80s porn music on the videos on the CFC website.


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