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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:50 pm 
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My Call:

Out: Curnow (sub) Docherty Cripps (inj)

B: Newman, Weitering, Kemp
HB: Cincotta,McGovern, Saad
C: Acres, Hewett, Hollands
HF: Martin, McKay, Cottrell
F: Motlop, Curnow, Owies
Foll: De Koning, Cerra, Dow
Int: Walsh, Fisher, Fogarty, Pittonet (Cuningham)

Heck of a side missing Doc & Cripps


Looks pretty close to me.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:17 pm 
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Cottrell - 11 possesions, 2 tackles, 169 meters gained last week but is selected before Hollands, Cuningham and Fogarty. Ok.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:57 pm 
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Cottrell is our Kamdyn Macintosh. Huge at creating turnovers and getting to contests


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:22 pm 
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JK wrote:
Cottrell is our Kamdyn Macintosh. Huge at creating turnovers and getting to contests

I am not a great fan but Cottrell can also play in a variety of positions.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:24 am 
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Cottrell brings something different to the table than the above.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:43 am 
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JK wrote:
Cottrell is our Kamdyn Macintosh. Huge at creating turnovers and getting to contests


One of our biggest improvements have been the roles of Cottrell Hollands Acres Fogarty. They cover so much ground it's not funny. They get back and help our defence and then push forward. Like extra mids. They fill space and make it look like we have more players on the ground. Their roles are vital


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:33 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
JK wrote:
Cottrell is our Kamdyn Macintosh. Huge at creating turnovers and getting to contests


One of our biggest improvements have been the roles of Cottrell Hollands Acres Fogarty. They cover so much ground it's not funny. They get back and help our defence and then push forward. Like extra mids. They fill space and make it look like we have more players on the ground. Their roles are vital

I agree, perhaps less so Fogarty but I haven't looked at the data and may be overlooking his amount of running. Certainly the others are mileage machines and that is a key to being able to play the game the way we do. Unless we are prepared to bite the bullet on one only of Pittonet and McKay then we need our running machines, IMHO.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:47 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Cottrell - 11 possesions, 2 tackles, 169 meters gained last week but is selected before Hollands, Cuningham and Fogarty. Ok.


The MC know what they are doing and have a better picture than the one your present.
There's much more to player analysis than stats.

The numbers you've presented are much too simplistic.
You failed to mention he covered an impressive 16.5 kms; most on the ground and 80+% Disposal efficiency.
How many contests did he halve? How much deterrence did he create in the holes he plugged to stop lane ways for the opposition.

I love what Cottrell brings, and he knows how to play many positions well.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:52 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
club29 wrote:
I am hoping Walsh, Gov and Cerra get us back playing the way we did earlier in our run. We have gone off the boil a bit lately and gone back to kicking long rather than that short passing risk taking play with overlap that had us looking a million bucks. I am sure teams have adjusted to stop us from doing it and maybe with injuries the replacements are not quite up to it but it really does look like we have gone into our shell a bit with the risk/reward stuff.


The way I see it as we lacked the class and polish to finish off all our hard work. You can't beat class.

Cerra especially created a lot of opportunities


I remember hearing a stat last week, on SEN I think it was, about effective clearances - ie a clearance that results in retention of possession. They mentioned Cerra had something like 38 of his last 38 clearances were effective before getting injured. That's just insane.



Amazing numbers. All Australian form all year. Even when Cornes suggested he was a dud whilst we were undefeated and he was one of our best. :screwy:

WE have missed his impact and he will make a HUGE difference to our game.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:58 am 
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i sure hope Cerra and Walshy aren’t being rushed back in. last thing we want is re-injury (as JSOS seems to have done in the VFL).

Harry looked rusty last week. i guess better for the run but didn’t contribute so much. should players be training at a very high level before returning to the side?


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Harry is so important to get up and running and in good touch before the Finals.
Can't underestimate getting a real competitive game under his belt.

Harry wasn't the target last week, but his presence allowed Curnow to play one on one.

I expect Harry to be on fire this week vs GWS.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:27 pm 
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I think back to the Port match as having our best line up of recent times in terms of this new way of playing and strong result.
From that team, Fisher has taken Boyd’s spot, Pittonet takes JSOS’ position and Dow has been promoted from sub.
We have also named Hollands, Durdin and Owies who weren’t playing that day. And Kennedy is in neither team at this stage.
Just an observation.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:28 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
I think back to the Port match as having our best line up of recent times in terms of this new way of playing and strong result.
From that team, Fisher has taken Boyd’s spot, Pittonet takes JSOS’ position and Dow has been promoted from sub. While Doc is out injured.
We have also named Hollands, Durdin and Owies who weren’t playing that day. And Kennedy is in neither team at this stage.
Just an observation.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:34 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Cottrell - 11 possesions, 2 tackles, 169 meters gained last week but is selected before Hollands, Cuningham and Fogarty. Ok.


The MC know what they are doing and have a better picture than the one your present.
There's much more to player analysis than stats.

The numbers you've presented are much too simplistic.
You failed to mention he covered an impressive 16.5 kms; most on the ground and 80+% Disposal efficiency.
How many contests did he halve? How much deterrence did he create in the holes he plugged to stop lane ways for the opposition.

I love what Cottrell brings, and he knows how to play many positions well.


I'm sure he spends a lot of time running up and down the ground, gets to a lot of contests, and even impacts by halving the contest. Good on him.
Still not sure why others like Hollands, Fogarty and the like have better no's and do more footy acts. It must be that he can play wing/half forward better! I'll bow to your knowledge.

ps. you seem quite angry these days. I would have expected the opposite. I hope you're ok.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:10 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Cottrell - 11 possesions, 2 tackles, 169 meters gained last week but is selected before Hollands, Cuningham and Fogarty. Ok.


Is he selected before them? Side isn't named yet


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:13 pm 
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I think with the defensive mindset being paramount with our coaching group they love how Cot continues to run and run hard defensively right up to 4 th quarter
He is stronger at contest and over the ball than Hollands and scores more goals
Scores more goals than fogarty and can run faster and longer

Is more consistent than cunningham

Having said that I think Hollands Fogarty and cunningham are capable and all are senior foitbalkers who can play a role its the first time in years good players are fighting for spots

However can also see your arguments cunningham more brillian that Cot and can go through the middle

Fogarty a better tackler and can go through the middle unlike Cot
Hollands gets more possession than Cot and is a running machine too


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:29 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Cottrell - 11 possesions, 2 tackles, 169 meters gained last week but is selected before Hollands, Cuningham and Fogarty. Ok.


Is he selected before them? Side isn't named yet


One is in the 18, others are on the bench and unknowns. I think you can answer this yourself now.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:30 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
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I think with the defensive mindset being paramount with our coaching group they love how Cot continues to run and run hard defensively right up to 4 th quarter
He is stronger at contest and over the ball than Hollands and scores more goals
Scores more goals than fogarty and can run faster and longer

Is more consistent than cunningham

Having said that I think Hollands Fogarty and cunningham are capable and all are senior foitbalkers who can play a role its the first time in years good players are fighting for spots

However can also see your arguments cunningham more brillian that Cot and can go through the middle

Fogarty a better tackler and can go through the middle unlike Cot
Hollands gets more possession than Cot and is a running machine too


Yep. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:39 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
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I think with the defensive mindset being paramount with our coaching group they love how Cot continues to run and run hard defensively right up to 4 th quarter
He is stronger at contest and over the ball than Hollands and scores more goals
Scores more goals than fogarty and can run faster and longer

Is more consistent than cunningham

Having said that I think Hollands Fogarty and cunningham are capable and all are senior foitbalkers who can play a role its the first time in years good players are fighting for spots

However can also see your arguments cunningham more brillian that Cot and can go through the middle

Fogarty a better tackler and can go through the middle unlike Cot
Hollands gets more possession than Cot and is a running machine too


Yep. :thumbsup:


I think you went straight to the last 2 sentences of franks post and forgot the first 3 lines.
Fog and Cunners aren't going to give us the hard running needed by the team, that Cotts provides.

I'm a Hollands fan and a Cunners fan, and was on the Fogarty bandwagon to replace Motlop and Durdin who were not providing the forward pressure expected by Voss. Motlop is back. Blame him, not Cotts: different positions.

Cottrell and Cuningham are in my best 22 for finals, unless Kennedy takes Cuninghams spot. I also have Cottrell in the best 22 team too.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:01 pm 
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Bondi. Agree on Cottrell - what he does is underrated. He runs all day and pressures the opposition. It may not show in the stats but its the 1%ers that i love about him.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:11 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Cottrell - 11 possesions, 2 tackles, 169 meters gained last week but is selected before Hollands, Cuningham and Fogarty. Ok.


Is he selected before them? Side isn't named yet


Cotts has been named in the 18 like Dow has.
Usually means he's been selected.

But doesn't mean Cuningham and Fogarty have been dropped till teams are announced at 5pm today....soon

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