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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:46 pm 
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I like the statement to the playing group in this week's ommissions.

Although I think Waite was one of our better players in rounds 1 and 2, and so a bit stiff.

I think Lucas will probably play in Jeffy's position as small forward, like he did against NM in the preseason game.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:05 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
I like the statement to the playing group in this week's ommissions.

Although I think Waite was one of our better players in rounds 1 and 2, and so a bit stiff.

I think Lucas will probably play in Jeffy's position as small forward, like he did against NM in the preseason game.


Too inconsistent for mine, Jarrad. Missed some required shots on goal from easy positions in all games, especially for an experienced player. Flashed in & out of the PTA game but did present vs Richmond. Could have positioned him on the wing for a gallop.

Jeffy needed the spell.
Robbo is extremely lucky.
If Ellard hadn't kicked those 2 goals last week, then he could have been in the firing line. Will probably kick 4 goals this weekend from the FP.
Zach is on his last legs on current ordinary form - Docherty will come in shortly, fitness pending.
Scotland needs to play as the sub only.

Hopefully see some more impressive performances in the 2's this weekend for some further changes for under-performing seniors.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:46 am 
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Though I pretty much agree with everyone's sentiments regarding players being dropped as in Waite, Garlett, and bringing in players such as Lucas and even Scottland, I will probably upset some people saying if there is anyone who should have been dropped, it should have been Bryce Gibbs.

When I look at the players who've been dropped, even players who haven't been dropped, but have been pretty ordinary over the last three weeks, Robinson, Touhy, Waite, Garlett ect, for me the biggest disappointment has been Bryce Gibbs. The Port game he was nowhere except for one freakish goal. The Richmond game, missing, and against Essendon*, again a no show.

If the club wants to make a statement, set an example, draw a line in the sand, then for me it should have chosen to do so omitting Bryce Gibbs from the squad this weekend. A clear example of the team is bigger then the player, the club is bigger then the player. If there is one player EVERYONE expects better from its Bryce Gibbs. Sure its easy to give it to Robbo, what you see is what you get with Robbo. We hope for better from him, but lets be realistic, its Robbo. Touhy has found it hard thus far this season and we are use to seeing better from him so its disappointing, but its Touhy, a guy pretty much just starting out in this caper.

But Bryce Gibbs? How long has it been already? Murphy was taken at number one and I don't think anyone can argue his worth. Kreuzer was a number one too, but injury and position being a ruckman we all know his day to shine is yet to come. But Gibbs? If ever there was a player who should have, could have, would have, its Bryce Gibbs. Yes the club wants him to stay, but if its setting an example to the playing list, then this whole business with Bryce needs to be sorted - period!

I believe by dropping him they would have shown not just to the list, but the media and most important of all, us the supporter ..."wow Carlton really mean business this time, I would have never expected that!" least of which I would imagine Bryce himself seeing that one coming. If he cracks the sads over it and leaves, we know he had no loyalty to us anyway. If he cops his right whack and returns the better for it, we win. I can't see a downside to this.

This is not a hate Bryce Gibbs post. I for one wish he stays BUT I also wish he would go to the next level and PROVE his worth. This post is more about our club really really meaning their pissed off about the Essendon* game, they want the entire list to wake the hell up and start representing Carlton with some pride and passion. I believe omitting Bryce Gibbs would have went a long way to getting that point across loud and clear.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:44 am 
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idle wrote:
Though I pretty much agree with everyone's sentiments regarding players being dropped as in Waite, Garlett, and bringing in players such as Lucas and even Scottland, I will probably upset some people saying if there is anyone who should have been dropped, it should have been Bryce Gibbs.

When I look at the players who've been dropped, even players who haven't been dropped, but have been pretty ordinary over the last three weeks, Robinson, Touhy, Waite, Garlett ect, for me the biggest disappointment has been Bryce Gibbs. The Port game he was nowhere except for one freakish goal. The Richmond game, missing, and against Essendon**, again a no show.

If the club wants to make a statement, set an example, draw a line in the sand, then for me it should have chosen to do so omitting Bryce Gibbs from the squad this weekend. A clear example of the team is bigger then the player, the club is bigger then the player. If there is one player EVERYONE expects better from its Bryce Gibbs. Sure its easy to give it to Robbo, what you see is what you get with Robbo. We hope for better from him, but lets be realistic, its Robbo. Touhy has found it hard thus far this season and we are use to seeing better from him so its disappointing, but its Touhy, a guy pretty much just starting out in this caper.

But Bryce Gibbs? How long has it been already? Murphy was taken at number one and I don't think anyone can argue his worth. Kreuzer was a number one too, but injury and position being a ruckman we all know his day to shine is yet to come. But Gibbs? If ever there was a player who should have, could have, would have, its Bryce Gibbs. Yes the club wants him to stay, but if its setting an example to the playing list, then this whole business with Bryce needs to be sorted - period!

I believe by dropping him they would have shown not just to the list, but the media and most important of all, us the supporter ..."wow Carlton really mean business this time, I would have never expected that!" least of which I would imagine Bryce himself seeing that one coming. If he cracks the sads over it and leaves, we know he had no loyalty to us anyway. If he cops his right whack and returns the better for it, we win. I can't see a downside to this.

This is not a hate Bryce Gibbs post. I for one wish he stays BUT I also wish he would go to the next level and PROVE his worth. This post is more about our club really really meaning their pissed off about the Essendon** game, they want the entire list to wake the hell up and start representing Carlton with some pride and passion. I believe omitting Bryce Gibbs would have went a long way to getting that point across loud and clear.

The coach has said Gibbs is untouchable. Nothing further needs to be said.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:05 am 
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It's fair to say the TC community had a brain labotomy this evening


Exactly where else would a lobotomy be performed?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:22 am 
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Don't question my understanding of footy Kouta. Waite needs a kick up the bum sure, but he takes the oppositions best defender, and when he is on, he is a match winner.

Nearly the whole team needs to be dropped. Murphy, Gibbs, touhy, Warnock, ellard, Robbo, Rowe just for starters.

I am saying why Start with Waite? How many inside 50's did we get last week. Yep 29 entries to the scums 55. The midfielders certainly gave our forwards a chance last week didn't they.

I just think this week was not the week to drop all your forwards.

Robbo and ellard should have gone, and cripps and Graham should have replaced them.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:56 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..I don't mind it actually.. ..hendo as main kpf and bolt and forward ruck.. ..jamo and rowe as big defenders, with walker and Everett to provide third man up and run.. ....waite and iffy are laaaaazy this year, drop them to send message, hendo will run it better without them buggering it up.. ..menz will provide another marking target, ellard as small fwd it seems.. ..lucas will run all day, I too hope cripps gets a full game right in the guts..

..first sort the selfish players, bit by bit.. ..snots will help give leadership down back as well.. ..I think this is part of a series of changes we can't do them all at once, but feed them in..


well put Boot, my sentiments exactly.

although I really do pray Cripps aint sub

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:04 am 
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Dodo27 wrote:
Good Statement by the MC to drop Waite, although its more like a tactic than poor Form. Waite has to be managed all year and will not be able to play every game. He will break down soon...


:eek: So that's why he will play in the reserves. :?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:59 am 
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Whether we agree about the changes and want to split hairs over robbo and bell. One thing we can all surely agree on, is the intent behind the changes.

We needed change, and we need to start giving players a simple message. If you don't play for the jumper you can fluff off and earn your paycheck in the reggies in front of 300 people.

It's been a long time since waite or garlett got their hands dirty and put in for a 4-quarter shift.

I'd take 18 rowes, who bust a gut and play with spirit over a team full of Waite's, garletts and mcleans who play for themselves ...

This is where we're at as a club. Putting guys on the park who are ready to bleed blue can only be a good thing a step in the right directing of correcting our shithouse culture.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:26 am 
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I think Scotland will start and Walker will go forward. Otherwise you've lost Betts, Garlett and Waite, our most consistent goal kickers of the post Fev era.

This is a bigger risk than it is a statement if you ask me.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:38 am 
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cwe didnt lose garlett and waite they were dropped for not caring

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:51 am 
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Like to know who is going to be a target in the forward line without Waite...


We could have a hybrid of Lockett/Hudson/Ablett/Dunstall and it wouldn't matter we'd still kick to it his ankles or over his head.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:56 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:
I think Scotland will start and Walker will go forward. Otherwise you've lost Betts, Garlett and Waite, our most consistent goal kickers of the post Fev era.

This is a bigger risk than it is a statement if you ask me.


What's the risk? Missing finals?

Time now for statements and defined direction based on where we are as a club. Waite won't be here next year, Betts already left, Jefferey has a chance to learn and comeback a better player.

In the meantime, others get a chance.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:03 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:
I think Scotland will start and Walker will go forward. Otherwise you've lost Betts, Garlett and Waite, our most consistent goal kickers of the post Fev era.

This is a bigger risk than it is a statement if you ask me.



Think you will finf Hendo playing forward this week.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:04 am 
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Given Malthouse met with every player in his office this week, one would have thought part of the selection process for this week may have revolved around the response and attitude in those meetings.

Though if that's the case, then Bell's exclusion is interesting though I note that he is one of the emergencies, Waite and Garlett aren't at all.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:11 am 
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King Kenny wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
I think Scotland will start and Walker will go forward. Otherwise you've lost Betts, Garlett and Waite, our most consistent goal kickers of the post Fev era.

This is a bigger risk than it is a statement if you ask me.


What's the risk? Missing finals?

Time now for statements and defined direction based on where we are as a club. Waite won't be here next year, Betts already left, Jefferey has a chance to learn and comeback a better player.

In the meantime, others get a chance.


To me the risk is we get beaten and the spotlight is turned onto the wrong players. What if Cripps stinks it up, Menz has the yips, Buckley gets towelled up? They'll be the ones in the spotlight, while the real culprits hide in the 2s.

I know that we need to make a statement, but at the same time we need to win the games we can. I doubt anybody wants a return to the early 2000s


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:55 am 
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Ellard, Menzel, Everitt and Yarran are the guys looking most likely to kick goals based on the 1st three weeks. When Waite and Garlett do the get the chance, they have choked. There comes a time where playing a good half here and there and missing crunch goals as senior players must be dealt with.

Casboult and Henderson will play up forward with Melbourne only having Dawes and maybe one other tall up forward.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:55 am 
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idle wrote:
The Port game he was nowhere except for one freakish goal.


:?

He kicked two goals against Port and received coaches votes for the game.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:58 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
idle wrote:
Though I pretty much agree with everyone's sentiments regarding players being dropped as in Waite, Garlett, and bringing in players such as Lucas and even Scottland, I will probably upset some people saying if there is anyone who should have been dropped, it should have been Bryce Gibbs.

The coach has said Gibbs is untouchable. Nothing further needs to be said.

The club must believe that by dropping GIbbs, he'll spend that time packing his bags. So we have to accept 22 games for Gibbs this year regardless of form... and then he'll pack his bags anyway.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:59 am 
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idle wrote:
The Port game he was nowhere except for one freakish goal.


:?

He kicked two goals against Port and received coaches votes for the game.


Was also on the website as Carlton's best player for the Port game. Second behind Carrazzo for the Essendon* game.


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